Yes only in JAP you can get them, and they only come in special colours. Purpleish, paleish yellow and sort of a championship white. And plus they get a cool square steering wheel :)Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
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Yes only in JAP you can get them, and they only come in special colours. Purpleish, paleish yellow and sort of a championship white. And plus they get a cool square steering wheel :)Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
I haven't read through all the posts...
But in reply to the first post,
It's a aussie commodore... with a pushrod V8? Really no comparison...
But, I think the REAL question should be, why would anyone pay 70 grand for an S2000 when you can buy an evo 9 for high 50s???
Besides the fact that S2000 is a roadster and to some people that is a great appeal in itself...
For me, I would take the evo any day... actually I would take the evo for any car up to $150,000 (maybe an M3...)
Although... I have a weak spot for evo's... my knees feel weak when I see one...
"We didn't just build a car... we started a religion... Lancer Evolution"
Talk about narrow minded... Even though a car uses "old technology", it still puts out more power and torque. Isn't that the main thing? And being old, the "technology" would be better researched/experimented with. It's not like they're unreliable because of it (generally obviously)? I don't know why Jap car forums love to use that "arguement".
Looking at the potential of V8s, they're nothing to be laughed at. And while still being N/A it is also responsive without going Turbo (Turbo'ed LS1s are scary... even N/A LS1s). Then everybody seems to be concerned about fuel consumption... when you start modding any car for more power, naturally your fuel consumption will go up in most cases (depending on what you do/what type of car N/A/Turbo etc) so unless you intend to keep the engine stock... or are just a tight ass/outright poor when it comes to petrol... :p If you're earning that much to afford either car, I'm sure money shouldn't be a problem.
And how come nobody hasn't mentioned torque figures? They're just as important... funny that...
Interior/Comfort too?
Engine potential of such a High comp N/A?
But totally different markets, I don't know why you would compare a Powerful 4 door Sedan to an Agile 2 door convertable. Especially on a Honda forum... it'd be fairer to compare it to a Toyota MR-S, Mazda MX-5 etc.
Definately don't get me wrong though. I love the AP1 chassis... I've yet to properly drive one but from what I hear and see, the cornering and corner entry/braking abilities of these cars are absolutely perfect for what I would want :) The looks and engine note are just a bonus ;)
It's just a pity the main market of this car (most sports cars actually...) is for cruisers/show offs... much like the other similar two examples I mentioned. I've yet to see a nicely modded S2000 example which didn't involve a kit and wing (Air intake/Exhaust doesn't count :p). And since earlier examples are getting cheaper, they're becoming more common... thus more within reach of a younger market (Chap laps with chromies anyone?). Shame to see all the testing at the Nurburgring go to waste like that :( In the end, if it makes people happy...
I completely agree with u. Even though the s2k looks hot, i couldnt justify spending that much. If i were to get a convertable i would wait till the mx5 turbo comes out..Quote:
Originally Posted by spetz
And yep.. with that money i would def get an evo 9 or a gtr 34.
The JDM Type V is available in all line-up colors. Apart from the rear emblem on the bootlid, the key distinctive identification is the steering wheel.Quote:
Originally Posted by s2king
[img]http://www.honda.co.jp/S2000/concept...images/int.jpg[/img]
To appreciate and understand what an AP1/2, you need a whole lot more than straight comparisons of power or pricing. It's not different complaining about what the NA1/2 can do without the same appreciation and understanding. These are niche market cars, not cult cars.
The engines in the HSV is almost the same as the one used in the previous generation Corvettes. Why is it no comparison? The only thing that the pushrod would lose out to a DOHC valvetrain would be the upper RPM limit. And we're talking about 8000rpm here. If you're talking about a 7000rpm redline, pushrods can achieve that with no problem. The LS7 engine has a 7000rpm redline. And pushrod engine have small heads that the packaging is much smaller than an equivalent capacity DOHC V8. To build a DOHC V8, you would need 4 camshafts and you would have twice the valvetrain inertia of an inline 4. A pushrod V8 only uses 1 camshaft to actuate all the valves.Quote:
Originally Posted by spetz
In fact, pushrod's are just a way of actuating the valves. If you take the head out of the picture, then the block is similar to a DOHC engine.
EVOs are ok. You still get less than stellar performance under 3000rpm and then a frenzy above that. It's fun, but imagine trying to get off at the lights at 2000rpm! You wouldn't get too far before the camry in front of you cuts into your lane. If you launch at higher revs, then you would lose the camry, but then again, cops could mistake you for doing a traffic light drag. :(
Handling-wise, EVOs are nice though.
the two cars are cult cars amongst different enthusiasts.
honestly i'd take both - they are two worlds apart but both would be so much fun at different rpms :)
Seeing the comparison has been made however, to answer the original post, i wouldn't buy either brand new cos both need to shed some badge value - BOTH have a lot of money spent in R&D and BOTH out of the showroom would be great road and TRACK cars - let's not generalise here being on a Honda forum that the HSV wouldn't give the S2000 a run for its money, cos it would.
maybe we wait till HSV builds a drop top and then compare?
No Vtec In A Hsv :wave:
Was a Holden V8 droptop ever made?
yeah pushrods are old, but hell most big hp cars are still running pushrods to this day, go to the runs, you'll see what we mean.
lets not forget why vtec was invented in the first place, with efficiency in mind, it's really a comprimise for big power, in other words, it's good for what it is, and before someone goes and tells me this n/a record or this honda record, lets just thing how much money has gone into it?
if it was a daily driver i would seriously take the hsv, nice fat tourque where u need, it, not at 9k! sure a free revving engine to 9k is very fun indeed, but how often are you gonna use it.
around the tight stuff, sure the 2k comes into its own, but anything else the hsv handles just as good! dont be fooled by its weight and size, they can be made to handle trust me- just look at the imporved production class and the old procar races. this is where the hsv and 2k were on the same playing field.
i have driven both,l the s2k is a nice car, good handling, tight and steering is good around the tight stuff. but i personally like the hsv- its more of a challenge to drive and less of a boring drive. u really have to grab it by the balls so to speak. same thing with the evo sti gtr thing, the sti and evos are shit easy to drive, easy in out hard. whereas the gtr u need to grab it by the balls.
this is a honda forum, of course the sk is gonna get a good wrap but it all comes down to what you want it for, please ignore the misconceptions that the hsv cant handle cause it can. for my driving style, i can get quicker times with the hsv because my turn in induces a lot of understeer, so i do require a bit of rear steer out of corners, im not saying the s2000 doesnt provide this but u need to be more oin the limit to break traction.
why does it matter anyway? soft tops are for soft cocks :DQuote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
sorry had to say that :wave: , but i do like my s2k's, mate got one when the first came out, boy were they hot, there a more even playing field not that the 350z and co are out.
i think u should let the driving do the decision making for you, we can sit here all day and go on about the pros and cons of each car, but in the end all the politics goes out the door when you drive both cars at full song, one thing to remember in the hsv is, u give it some stick on the loud pedal, and u will not realise how fast it is until you look at the speedo!
i'd buy a hardtop for the S2k - looks better HAHAHAHA