Did you do a headgasket change? Most people don't take the head off to change cams as it's easier not toQuote:
Originally Posted by **Ghost**
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Did you do a headgasket change? Most people don't take the head off to change cams as it's easier not toQuote:
Originally Posted by **Ghost**
I have read this thread a few times just to make sure I was not missing something.All this talk about these cams and the valve spring change and then a set of cam gears.And you run some bullshit form of tuning device I just cant understand how and why you guys do this to yourselfs.You go to all the expense of the valve gear upgrade but you still cant change your timing which is 50% of your tuning.Go figure and then the next I will start to read where you only made 5kw more.And if you tell me that those cams made more bottom end power your dreaming these cams are designed to make power in a COMPLETELY different design engine and at a RPM that you only see a few times when ever you drive the car,tell me what else did you do the the cylinder head when you where doing the cam and spring install.I could keep typing and give you all some info but I really just think its a waste of time.
Regards Dyno Dave
I've been trying to tell everyone on this forum that CTR cams in a stock motor is NOT an upgrade, only to be met with disbelief and ridicule from some.
I still want to see that dyno plot.
Illegal if you're reading this... here's the proof, straight from Australias BEST Honda dyno tuner !.....
Ghost, i'm afraid you would've made more than a 5kw gain with the stock B16 cams and at a lower rpm
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so taking advantage of these cams would require head work/IM/header?? assuming tuning has been adressed with a good ecu and a tuner who knows what they are doing... if not, what else?Quote:
Originally Posted by ProECU
You go to the top of the class :thumbsup: .You hit the nail on the head its more about airflow and not just 1 part.HONDA power comes from the head, so use yours to design a GOOD combination to make power not just throw in some JDM BLING camshafts.Quote:
Originally Posted by EGB16A
Regards Dyno Dave
by timing u mean cam timing? or do u mean VTEC engagement point dave? or ignition timing?Quote:
Originally Posted by DynoDave
Before i got cams i got myself
1. i/h/e
2. thin headgasket (cometic? cosmetic? comsetic?, i cant remember)
3. mild porting of valve chambers
4. shaved a bit off the head
admittedlly i did not ge thte best of ECUs... like a motec... but for my purposes i was under the impressio9n a VAFC was enough to handle the mods.
of course, no argument i could have gained more with a independent ECU, but i think the VAFC was sufficient for my aims and purposes
and no didnt get a intake manifold or throttle body upgrade
Ignition timing more important as fuel mixture when tuning.The rest is not to bad of a setup but for that sort of money you spent and you only got what 5kw.What a waste of your cash, what was the power output again there are many Vtec engines out there running around making great power with just bolton's tuned correctly.The ECU thing is getting cheaper by the week and there are many solutions around these days for Honda's but a VAFC in your setup should have been the last thing to use.Not because they are just a masking device but you need to tune your setup 100%.I would like to see a dyno graph on the before and after camshaft change you do not have to post it on here just e-mail it to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by **Ghost**
Regards Dyno Dave
yes, a $200 air flow interceptor can "handle the mods"Quote:
Originally Posted by **Ghost**
but it also will not allow you to gain most benefit from them :thumbsup:
but dont feel bad cause you decided to not to purchase an expensive full EMS solution just yet...
tinkerbell he doesnt, i tuned the vafc for him, and i did tell him the pros and cons, he's been very happy with the results from what he has told me.
Dynodave, i already told him about all that, he knew that to be the case, but he didnt wanna spend and he already had the vafc in there, it was his decision to forego going another ecu.
as andy/pornstar said i knew the full implications of only being able to control air/fuel/vtec engagement and not ignition control
however, i wasnt going to spend an additional $300 on an emanage, plus install (presuming i could sell vafc) for the extra gain i couldve had over the VAFC.
My setup was always designed to be mild build... and i've found from my layman's research that extracting every little % out of a steup requires lots of $$$, which in my PERSONAL view is not worth the money due to diminishing returns
for example, say if i spend $500 i can get+10kw... extracting every ounce of performance = 13kw... but would cost $1000... thats just a stupid number example btw not based on nething
but u were told emange wasnt the best in this case :)