All motor? you kind of thing?

i think there's a lot more respect with having a fast n/a car!~


"12.8...nice...how much boost?"..."none"..."OH SHIT..you're joking!"

I don't see a turbo as cheating. It's just a different means to an end - same for upping cubes (eg V8 ;) ).

Cheers

Kinda like that Lancer, 2FST2C, in the latest Fast Fours magazine. It cracked a 14.4 in N/A trim. Pretty healthy!

Yeah 14.4 even on slicks is still pretty good!!!

1985 Civic + B20vtec = 12.8 @ 107mph
Now that what im talkin about !
I had a 85 civichatch - grand prix model with an old ZC :(
I traded it in for some DOHC VTEC power.

I know of these but with T3/4 turbos slapped on them and using VTEC killer cams. Thats some serious shit.
However im a NA power fan myself and would personally like to see the results from the K24A new CRV block mated to the K20A head being worked on in the states.

I think 'go', then 'show'

crap a blast from the past.

i think you get more credit from a quick NA car compared to a wokred turbo which comes stock with a turbo i.e nissan s13 r33 etc

NA all the way

I totally agree. NA is the way to go. It's a shame that there are so few fast na cars going around. Namely FWD hondas

i love PROPER turbo honda setups... the thing is- it is actually more expensive to do than a good NA setup.

i mean, anyone can slap a turbo onto any motor and call it a day, but how elegent is that?

if you want a REAL turbo setup, kiss goodbye to the better part of 20k. all the mods you need for an NA slapper are needed on a turbo too. on top of that, add sleeves, injectors, turbo, stronger bits and pieces everywhere.

turbo build ups are not cheaper, unless you are doing a semi-baked turbo conversion anyway. i'd love to see one of the famous 5k turbo "conversions" last a full session at the track at full tilt on a hot day...

i'm sure someone will have a go at proving me wrong, but there's my two schillings :)

eheheheh ;) my Turbo CRX loves the track ;) but its built for the track ;) heeheh but yeah sir Ginganggooly speaks the truth ;)

2 words - Turbo Lag

Dunno how many of you here are top gear fans but, they do a review of the UK spec Evo.

0-100 = 3.2 seconds = FASTER THAN A FERRARI ENZO

WoW!!!!

Problem is, unless ur in exactly the right gear at the right revs, its useless. They have the evo and a 1.6L fiat steelo estate neck a neck, both in fifth cruising. They both then stomp on it. In 1.7 miles, the evo couldn't catch the fiat. Also, it does 6.4km/L (about 15L / 100km) and has to be serviced every 7000km.

**** that. Too expensive. Too unreliable. Too much fuel. Power only when it says you can have power.

NA all the way :)