I forgot to mention i had spring compressors too ;)
but dudnt need em
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I forgot to mention i had spring compressors too ;)
but dudnt need em
hehe most honda stock springs need a spring compressor to remove em.. but then i was working on my friends calibra and he didnt need them (they just sat in the shock seat) but yea commodores either but then my friends lancer needed em.
best to play it safe either way. they're only like $40 for a spring compressors (got a new set for myself the other week from repco)
lol redteg......you wrote the same post in two different ways :thumbsup:!!!
i also posted this on superhonda.com ....those guys were all saying NO YOU CANT CUT THEM! etc etc ....even the moderators were saying that shit.....my post was the only one with theory behind it.....ill post up the link later on.
Theory nothing - its dangerous as it changes the dynamic of the spring and is no longer balanced to the shock.
Your funeral, I don't give a shit - other than for the poor bastard you take out when it goes fubar.
BTW - it also invalidates any insurance you have as it is illegal to do it (go check with the RTA or Vic Roads) and you are then up for damages to yourself, your car and any other poor bastard.
And yes, the insurance companies do look for it.
Chopping springs is just plain stupid. I refrained from joining in, but really, chopping a few coils of the spring changes the whole dynamics of the spring. Springs are designed to operate around those specifics, as are the shock absorbers...... Which suffer damage as a result of chopping, mostly due to unforeseen spring rates (which are totally wrong) and less travel for the shocks, keeping them compress longer, which increases wear...
You are safer driving a car with no springs and slipping in a few more bumpstops....
Theory is nothing? What flat planet (which just so happens to be in the centre of the universe) do you live on?Quote:
Originally Posted by Setanta
Theory Is Your God
Unless the springs are progessive, the dynamics wont change.
Yes the shocks wont be suitable for your cut springs, they wouldnt be suitable for brand name lowering springs. Get over it. We all agree on that point, so stop using it as a negative for cutting springs.
Im sick of ppl jumping on the bandwagon and talking shit.
As in your theory falls out of the water as soon as the spring/strut ratio is screwed with. Deal with it boyo.
Theory is nothing and the practice is everything.
Please learn to read (and a few comprehension lessons couldn't hurt either in understanding context).
But thanks for proving that you are ignorant by totally flying off the handle and misunderstanding a post.
As for being on a bandwagon - it seems you have your own bandwagon in the face of what others say.
Get over yourself, you aren't as smart as you think you are.
Valid points.Quote:
Originally Posted by Setanta
I've never been a fan of chopped springs. I've been in a few cars with chopped springs and the ride was SHITHOUSE. I don't know if it was because the springs were chopped 'fully sik stylez' or what but when i had King Superlows in my DC2 with stock shocks my ride was easily 75% better than the cars running chopped springs.
Mike, sometimes theory looks so right on paper but when applied in real life if may not work. Legally speaking you aren't allowed to chop springs anyway. If springs were made to be chopped then suspension tuning workshops would just 'customise' springs themselves by taking a grinder to them and cutting off a few coils. Doesn't work like that.
I'm not taking sides, just giving you my honest opinion. Don't chop springs!!!
Stay safe. :)
My theory states nothing about shocks. In fact, if you cared to read my post, you would realise that you made a common misconception that i have already highlighted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Setanta
You need the right shocks for different springs. If you change your springs (buy buying/cutting) then you have to change your shocks to match. How many times do i have to repeat this?
...hey wait a sec!....
so im the one that needs comprehension lessons?Quote:
Originally Posted by VTEC16
I never claimed to be smart. I didnt come up with the quation, im happy to be wrong. But unless someone can argue with dignity (not - "my friend has cut springs and stock shocks....") I dont really wanna hear the subjective and irrelevant crap.
As far as i know the torsional strength of the material can be affected by the heat generated when chopping the springs (since most springs are heat treated, another application of haet through some/all of the coils could change their properties). Not only that, but the springs when cooling after being cut arent controlled. From a talk i have had with Kmac (which was a while ago, but pretty sure i am remembering correctly) the springs, if cooled too quickly, lose strength. This can lead to softening, sagging or even a complete collapse of the spring.
Thats where is see the choppnig factor coming into your equation, which you have not taken account of.
bought my car with chopped springs.... i dont like it but my money is in other mods at the moment, as soon as i get some cash ill get a decent setup BUT in the meantime, the ride isnt that bad, yes a bit stiffer, and it doesnt seem to like major ruts and pot holes but what lowered car does, i agree, chop chop springs blow, but meh, unless theres some low priced setups out there i got nothing
I see what your saying, but the heated part of the spring becomes an inactive coil. Also, if you allow it to cool slowly (as opposed to quenching it) it would be minimally affected. You could be right however.... thanks for that poid.