James Race Engines - help needed

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Originally Posted by grumpy rooster

Having the engine built here in Oz is not a stupid idea. I am able to source all the parts for you (as could many other people) and then get a reputable engine builder to build it. I would start with THIS block. Its a Dart aluminium block with 84.5mm bores and steel main caps. You also have the option of the B20 block. The most important aspect of that particular block is it is a closed deck design.

My one big problem with what you want to do is your budget. For that power your budget may take a bit of a hammering.

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It is a stupid idea? Rocket import these blocks from the US. Pretty funny huh?

There are no reputable honda builders down here. I challenge anyone to prove me wrong. Im talking a 10 second honda block (NA/FI) that lasts more then a few passes down the quater before being pulled apart. Oh wait, there arnt any. Online runs an american block. Exqizit. American. There are no specialised honda builders in australia. Fullstop. The market is not big enough. If you get your block done here, its done by a generic machining facility. Generic engine builder. The exception here would be small shops like toda. * Check your sources for the Reason *

Yeh sure im going to ruffle a few feathers, but thats life. So much BS being thrown around, but when it comes to put up or shut up, no one can deliver. Look at the sub-10sec list on honda-tech, owned by regluar joe's. And not one shop here can do it.

Weq i can see where your coming from. And what you have said is what i dont want to happen to the motor investing all this time cash and effort only to have a couple passed and pull it a part again. Ive seen threads with the problems you went thru with the d series build and that.

If anyone knows who EXQUZIT/online used for their drag cars sleeves id be keen to know (pm me). (I know a certain builder/s here i aus purchased stuff from ERL but i will not mention too as i may spoil a build etc). If those bigger guys here with even well know workshops cannot tust builders here let alone themselves than i think it will be best for me to get it all from the states. thanks to everyone for their input. cheers.

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Originally Posted by EGB18CT

Weq i can see where your coming from. And what you have said is what i dont want to happen to the motor investing all this time cash and effort only to have a couple passed and pull it a part again. Ive seen threads with the problems you went thru with the d series build and that.

If anyone knows who EXQUZIT/online used for their drag cars sleeves id be keen to know (pm me). (I know a certain builder/s here i aus purchased stuff from ERL but i will not mention too as i may spoil a build etc). If those bigger guys here with even well know workshops cannot tust builders here let alone themselves than i think it will be best for me to get it all from the states. thanks to everyone for their input. cheers.

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The B20 block in EXQIZT was sleeved by Golden Eagle in the States and the engine was built 100% here in Australia by Online Performance and tuned by Rocky@Pac Performance with Dyno Dave.
ALLMTR996

thanks allmtr, is there any particular reason as to why ge was chosen, from what i have read they have very satisfied customers with very little problems, what would the differences be between GE, ERL and bensons?

also one last q. is it open or closed deck? -what i like about the ERL blocks is there like the best of both....

RIP OFF

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Originally Posted by fatboyz39

B20 block, with Golden Eagle Sleeves $3500. Pm if your keen.

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i agree with weg, best thing to do is buy a b20 block off ebay in the US get the seller to ship it to golden eagle and golden eagle can freight it back to you.

Cost of block in the US $500
GOLDEN EAGLES sleeves US$900
shipping US$250

Total cost US$1650 = AUD$1900 lot better than $3500

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Originally Posted by Weq

It is a stupid idea? Rocket import these blocks from the US. Pretty funny huh?

There are no reputable honda builders down here. I challenge anyone to prove me wrong. Im talking a 10 second honda block (NA/FI) that lasts more then a few passes down the quater before being pulled apart. Oh wait, there arnt any. Online runs an american block. Exqizit. American. There are no specialised honda builders in australia. Fullstop. The market is not big enough. If you get your block done here, its done by a generic machining facility. Generic engine builder. The exception here would be small shops like toda. * Check your sources for the Reason *

Yeh sure im going to ruffle a few feathers, but thats life. So much BS being thrown around, but when it comes to put up or shut up, no one can deliver. Look at the sub-10sec list on honda-tech, owned by regluar joe's. And not one shop here can do it.

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http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=73514 built in his backyard UNSLEEVED B16a and runs 9's and had alot of help from Online and a few other people.
ALLMTR996

Yes ALLMTR996 is right, Exqzit's block is a Golden Eagle sleeved block but built here, Our own H22A motor in our Tube DelSol and the Allmotor CRX are both Darton sleeves and sleeved here locally.

CRX-11Z doesn't run sleeves and has gone 9.90, MSTCHF has gone 11.1 with no sleeves, Hypertune has gone 11.4 with no sleeves and these are all B16A's

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Originally Posted by mrfsport

i agree with weg, best thing to do is buy a b20 block off ebay in the US get the seller to ship it to golden eagle and golden eagle can freight it back to you.

Cost of block in the US $500
GOLDEN EAGLES sleeves US$900
shipping US$250

Total cost US$1650 = AUD$1900 lot better than $3500

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just passing on info. if you get it for that much GO FOR IT im not stoping you.

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Originally Posted by online

CRX-11Z doesn't run sleeves and has gone 9.90, MSTCHF has gone 11.1 with no sleeves, Hypertune has gone 11.4 with no sleeves and these are all B16A's

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Great examples there. It all comes down to the engine builder/setup and tuner. :thumbsup:

The 3500 block there is no chance im paying that when i can get it new cheaper!

ONLINE: which sleeves would you prefer the darton MID here or the GE? (im guessing the GE since that car is newer the blue eg if im correct?)

if i do get it done in the stated ill prob get a block and head sleeved and ported there and hopefully this can get done by may-july as ive got a family frien going over bringing a container back of chev and old school v8 parts (as hes a restorer) so i could pop it in the container which would come in very handy.

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Originally Posted by EGB18CT

The 3500 block there is no chance im paying that when i can get it new cheaper!

ONLINE: which sleeves would you prefer the darton MID here or the GE? (im guessing the GE since that car is newer the blue eg if im correct?)

if i do get it done in the stated ill prob get a block and head sleeved and ported there and hopefully this can get done by may-july as ive got a family frien going over bringing a container back of chev and old school v8 parts (as hes a restorer) so i could pop it in the container which would come in very handy.

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Darton/Bensons/ERL/Golden Eagle/Import Builders/Rocket Motorsports/+ many more in the states that I cant even remember that do this type of work I have seen Golden Eagle/Darton/ERL here with engines someone has built locally and really there is no real difference in terms of the sleeves the ERL and GE where done in the states and the darton block was done here in sydney,good luck with your build.
ALLMTR996