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So to make it better than the DC5R.Quote:
Originally Posted by Felix
Make it heavier.
Take off the independant sussy on the rear and replace it with cheap crappier Torsion beam.
Replace recaros in place with seats that dont auto adjust back to the same position you wanted just to remove things.
Remove LSD.
Get charged just to put type R badges and stickers?
Need I say more?
I wasn't going to bite.. but I was bored. :p
Still reasonable compared to other hot hatches - although I certainly will agree that they have all bulked up - to their detriment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chi
Real driving on real roads = Bugger all difference. It does cut down on bragging rights when comparing car specs, though.Quote:
Take off the independant sussy on the rear and replace it with cheap crappier Torsion beam.
I'll kind of give you that one. Seats are great - I don't care what brand they are - but the auto adjust is annoying, granted. Of course, if this makes your list of problems with the car, I'd suggest its a little thin. :DQuote:
Replace recaros in place with seats that dont auto adjust back to the same position you wanted just to remove things.
Yes and No. See suspension.Quote:
Remove LSD.
Says something about the company, sure, but certainly not the car!Quote:
Get charged just to put type R badges and stickers?
And lets not forget there is at least a touch of "my car is now old hat" to all of these arguments. We've all been there and yes it sucks, but take heart knowing everyone returns there every few years.
I personally think the car is great and that's why I chose it over every other hatch in the 45k bracket - in fact, I wouldn't have bought a new car if it didn't exist.
If you want to talk about really poor sales though, take a look at that TRD Aurion - Who said a large front wheel drive performance car wouldn't sell?
:p
Everyone except Toyota Australia. :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by moons
depends on the dealer...some chuck it in 4 free :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Chi
i was in the market for a 40k hot hatch. initially i was going to get a FN cos i fell in love at first sight. after a couple of test drives, i realised it's not what i wanted. in simple terms, it drives like a faster Jazz. it really lacks steering feel and the driving position is too high for me. i tested the GTI twice and it is a car that FN never was. good grunt and great drive so i placed an order for one.
however deep down i really want a Type R. i love the race car for the road feeling which FN and GTI never are. DC2R is great but it is really hard to find one in good con, so in the end i ordered a EP3.
in summary:
Fn is a real disapointment, GTI is great but not exactly what i want. EP3 is the real deal.... lol
You are all so brave for dishing out negatives about the CTR behind a monitor but I strongly doubt you would say half the things you say to a real owner in person.
Oh yes, of course, how can I forget, you are entitled to your own opinion (behind a keyboard).
Monty you're our hero. Where would we all be without your bravery?
And to all the DC2, DC5, EP3 and GTI fanboys, I'll leave my FN2 at home and meet you on the dragstrip with my CBR600RR.
It's still a Honda after all. Dare to sledge it?
the more you type the dumber you sound mate. since most of the cars you just listed are hondas now i just get the feeling you're trying to make youself feel better about your fn2r purchase. at the end of the day, if u enjoy the car, thats all that matters. mentioning bikes is just pointless...Quote:
Originally Posted by Double R
I don't need to try and feel better. I know it is better. In my honest opinion the DC2 is old and tacky, the DC5 is too boy racer with that oversized wing and the EP3 is just ugh butt ugly, a stretched out Jazz.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vinnie
Who cares if it's not as fast as XXX or not as good as XXX. If you want speed then get a bike (hence mentioning bikes). What difference is 0.XX seconds going to make? FN2 is the best all round package in that price range and you can't argue with that. Not trying to defend its honour, but merely putting in my rebuttal.
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Originally Posted by Double R
no ones talking bout how much faster the car is, but in fact how much quality and features it has lost compared to the previous models.
Fact is the FN2 is a terrible car, comapred to what Honda has offered before.
It prob is better than most around its price, but to Honda's standards , I think its crap.
Err..Quote:
Originally Posted by Chi
The FN2 has way more features than any other Type R I have ever looked at. Sure it's not all performance orientated, but remember the Type R is a daily driver as much as it is anything else!
In my opinion, all the previous models were lacking features which is why I never contemplated buying them!
It's interesting how opinion can be so divided! :D
No I dont disagree, i see where your coming from. Each to their own (especially with cars).Quote:
Originally Posted by m0nty ITR
I have spent big amounts of time behind the wheel of both the new CTR and the DC5R.
As a package i find the DC5R is much better suited to a race track. Suspension etc...
I find the CTR much better as an all round hot hatch on day to day public roads.
My personal experience anyway.
As to whoever said about having to pay for badges. I have gotten 4 different dealer quotes on new CTR, all included badges/emblem and mats for under $40k driveaway.