You cannot compare numbers from his dyno with yours. Different dyno brand, different location, different dyno and different weather.Quote:
Originally Posted by EUR003act
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You cannot compare numbers from his dyno with yours. Different dyno brand, different location, different dyno and different weather.Quote:
Originally Posted by EUR003act
lol yeah i know that... but 164kw for an intake!?? lol that dyno is crazy high! all i was gonna point out was, maybe the first dyno was completely out... (say 30kws) and the second one was closer to the mark... so he'd be going from 134kw to 148kw... if you get what im trying to say...Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
Yeah, it could be 164kW because the dyno reads highhighhigh. It might even be recalculated to a flywheel power figure! But I also believe that he has lost 16kW through the custom header and exhaust being non-tuned length. I tend not to compare any numbers unless it was between cars at a dyno day, which is also why I don't compare your 133kW figure to other Euro dyno results. Instead, I am waiting for your dyno figure after you get the head installed to compare to your 133kW baseline.Quote:
Originally Posted by EUR003act
hehehe... well now ive got the exhaust on im going to get another two baseline dynos done.... then after the build get another two dynos on the original two... :thumbsup: one dynodynamics, and one mainline...Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
damn man, you are one crazy man.
lol dyno for everything you do FTW!
I agree with Aarrong...
My dyno was Hyper Power Dynamometer www.hyperdyno.com
Temp on Run 1 = 3 deg celsius
Temp on Run 2 = 20 deg celsius
Fuess2 said there sould only be a 3.7kw difference..his email below
I think you can approximate this using the "ideal gas law PV=nRT)
A pretty good explaination is here:
http://www.shodor.org/UNChem/advanced/gas/
Cooler air will contain more oxygen than warmer air. The ideal gas law allows you to approximate the difference.
If you assume that the atmospheric pressure is very close to constant and the only thing that changed is the temperature, the quantity of oxygen present (relative to the first run) would be *approximately* equal to the proportion of the temperatures in kelvin.
So.....
3 C = 276 K
20C = 283K
283 / 276 = 102.53623188405797101449275362319
based on my very rough approximation, the difference should be
3.7713768115942028985507246376812kw for the run that peaked at 148.7
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/c...pe/WebDyno.jpg
Trippers! Save your money blowing cash on chasing 5-10kw power increases (or decreases as it often turns out with dodgy honda modifications you cheap skates) and purchase yourself some forced induction power. Supercharge or turbo, screw naturally aspirated headers with your high flow cats or cat back systems and buy a custom exhaust manifold and strap a turbo in place!
Or not! But your 10kw power increase aint going to change the fact you probably drive with your arm out the window and your knuckles draggin along the ground causing more drag than your power gains! hahahaha
Velocity power stacks hahahahaha hahahahahaha
you obviously know alot about your euro dont you...Quote:
Originally Posted by JetLee
maybe search on the forum a little before you start putting people down, turbo or supercharge on the euro is not as easy as 'strapping' it on... theres alot more to think about, mainly, do you still want your gauges to work?
im not gonna dive into it, theres already been ALOT discussed on here about that subject, all im going to say is, anyone can 'slap' on a turbo/super charger and make some power, but it takes alot of time/skill/trial and error to make n/a power, and alot more respect comes out of doing it that way!
besides, i know of all motor K24s making more power than supercharged ones, so before you go opening your mouth and trampling people who take pride in their honda, how about you think next time, and maybe take some of your own advice?
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Originally Posted by JetLee
sound like a tool,Quote:
Originally Posted by JetLee
dude you strap a turbo on your euro and we'll see what happens.
more easily said than done mate.
Just for the record, I love my Hondas, love the technology, the driveability, the modest power outputs, but lets not hide from the fact of what we drive here!
Everybody loves to make their cars unique in some way, and its great fun doing so and learning along the way! But to think your 4 door family engineered sedan is ever going to become a power housed race car... your dreaming unless your willing to invest big!
Yes there are power gains to be made, with the right combination of components used, but if your serious about this stuff, weight reduction should be your target. Your induction mods will more than likely modify your torque curve more than introduce more power.
Why do you think mugen stuff is so expensive? It isnt usually for the 5kw power gain, but the light weight materials used.
An induction kit isnt worth the time, effort or money! But hey, its just my opinion, and just like yours I can respect it.
Most people jump at spending $5-10K on a major modification, and investing the research in doing it right. But how much do you think you've spent once you've performed all your baby step modifications to gain 10kw? inductions, cat back system, headers, hi flow cat, piggy back systems or ecu upgrades, injectors, plugs... then you start getting more serious, but you've done it backwards and spent big cash for small gains! All I am saying, if your hitting the dyno every week for 2kw, maybe you should think big, save your cash and think what you really want outta your car! Plan your modifications further than your next pay cheque.
you said it yourself, its a 4 door family sports/luxury car... even with a bg turbo setup, it still weighs nearly 1.5tonne... i know my euro will never beat the new FPVs/HSVs/STIs/EVO... but theyre outright sports/race cars, thats what theyre designed for...
if you stay looking at the euros competition (Mazda 6, BMW 320, Litberty, Audi A4) then you can see the euro is pretty much at the top of the bunch stock... do a few mods to it, experiment, have fun and learn alot about your car, and all of a sudden youve stepped into the Mazda MPS, BMW 325, Liberty GT, WRX, Audi TT range and your showing them to shame...
my car is never going to be tracked, so i dont intend on doing weight reduction or anything like that, that would defeat the purpose of having 37kg of subs and amps in the back, plus sound deadening, plus 18s and a bodykit... but, when i go to a dyno day, and my N/A 2.4L puts down more power than a XR6 4L... or a WRX 2L turbo... or whatever, thats when i smile...
enough about this, we've hijacked the thread... sorry mods :(
Yeah, majorly hi-jacked! My bad! I respect your objectives. I guess if your goal is to get the power up on a dyno, thats great, you probably could get up to the 190fwkw seen in an MPS etc. but, personally, if I was investing so much money into power gains, I would want to see the results on the road and be passing these cars... But enough hahaha I got a giggle outta this little convo! Killed some time!