P Platers & Integra Type R

Damn im pissed!

After the drag race on Dandenong Road in Melb last week, the authorities are wanting to crack down even more on P platers driving high performance cars.
They are saying that more police will get access to these lists so that they can check against the list if they pull over a P-Plater in what they assume to be a powerful car.

As stated previously, the DC2R has a power to weigth per tonne of 130kw (CAN ANYONE VERIFY THIS ?????) therefore making it 5kw over the 125kw per tonne limit enforced by VicRoads on P Platers.

Therefore, the DC2R is ILLEGAL to drive while on P's in Victoria which sucks big time. As I will be on my P's for another year and a bit I think it would be a very dangerous risk to buy a Type R and having to constantly be on the lookout or woried about being pulled over.

What frustrates me even more is that I finally found a Type R is excellent condition that I would purchase ASAP if it wasn't for this law.

After speaking to an insurance broker, I was told that the word is that the govt is trying to pass some legislation to ban the powerful cars for P platers and he was also mentioning something about insurance. He advised me to stick well away from the Type R UNLESS I GET A SIGNED PAPER FROM VICROADS STATING THAT IT IS LEGAL TO DRIVE. I was told that if I'm not allowed to drive it while on P's then I wouldn't get cover for it if I have an accident.

What do you guys think??

I will call VicRoads tomorrow to try and definitely find out if it is a RESTRICTED vehicle while on P's and if there are any possible exemption.

Does anybody out their know of a P Plater who is driving a high powered vehicle but has gotten an exemption to drive it??

If it turns out to be illegal to drive it I am thinking of buying something for 5-7 thousand and keeping it for a year before buying a DC2R.

All replies greatly appreciated.

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Originally Posted by My-B18c

ive seen heaps of p plater with car probly ther parent bought the car 4 them
car that ive seen with pz...[p] on a RX8(CHICK)
[p] on a r32 GTR (10second car) frewn
[p] on a GTI-R done up hard
[p] on a TWIN TURBO SUPRA
[p] on a s2k
etc. these people are rich!! n ther only like 17-18 thanks 2 their parents lucky (BA*TARD)

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its either that, or they have a side job if ya know what i mean

hey johnnykos .... i felt the same way about the power to weight ratio laws for p' platers when i was on my p's.... but when u see stuff like that crash taht u referred to on dandenong rd, u realise why its in place..... i think it was a r33 gts-t that smashed after a drag with a prelude.... 2 kids just out of school last yr from st bernards dead... whats why theyve got the rule... i know if i was drving a type r and i was 18 i would be hooning it.....

johnnykos - u best to ring up vicroads and find out exactly, if the DC2R is allowed to be driven by a P-plater. If they give you the green light, make sure to take the person's name you spoke to, or any necessary information (in black and white, if possible) and keep it with you when/if you do get the R. :)

Good luck.

toe - i highly doubt anybody is gonna give you anything in black and white. They keep hiding behind the 'procedures' and shit. People (this applies to gov employees too) tell you one thing over the phone even though they are not entirely sure about it. And if you ask them to back it up, they'll just find some excuse to say they are not inclined to do so.

johnnykos - g luck with the ITR. Keep your fingers crossed. But if the police are coming down hard on Ps then, even a big exhaust could get u pulled over.

I have checked the list and Integra's are on the list but they do not specify which version. So it could mean all Integra's Gsi, VtiR and TypeR.

Also it stated - "Please note that this list is not exhaustive. If in doubt please contact VicRoads on telephone: 131171"

I write this post with alot of sadness and anger.........

Spoke to VicRoads yesterday - they said that even if a ca wasn't on the list it's the drivers responsibility to make sure they are allowed to drive it. They suggested getting a mechanic to check the power to weight but if they late did their own check and found it is over the power to weight ratio then I would be liable. They were also unwilling to sign a letter that it was legal to drive the car etc.

Then called JustCars to see if they had a list of cars that couldn't be driven. Funnilly enough they said that they are happy to ensure you and take your money (2000+ for a Type R) BUT if you have an accident then their claims department will have a look if you are allowed to drive the car and IF YOU ARE NOT --> Quote "it MAY impact your chances of getting a claim".

Lastly I spole to the TMU who said that no matter the excuse if they pull someone over suspecting the car is powerful, they will check the power to weight and issue a ticket. They said they may also send the driver to court straight away "if the driver is a smart arse".

I then got off the phone and calculated the power to weight ratio which is the KW divided the weight multiplied by 1000.

DC2 Integra Type R --> 141kw / 1087kg x 1000 = 129.7 kw per tonne
DC5 Integra Type R --> 147kw / 1160kg x 1000 = 126.7 kw per tonne

Therefore, by these calculations, both the DC2 & DC5 Type R's are ILLEGAL to drive while on your P's in Victoria. (You can only drive a car with less than 125kw per tonne).

As I have over a year left on my P's I have decided that it is too much of risk firstly being caught by the cops - being fined and not being allowed to drive it - and secondly having an accident and then being told too bad by the insurance company.

I have been plannign on getting a Type R for 3 years now although taking all these matters into consideration I think I will have to look for something else.

It sucks but thats the law.........especially now that the two deaths have occured I am hearing that the insurance companies are getting tougher but so will the cops becuase they has been alot of controversy in Melbourne over the drag racing deaths.

I have taken the power and weight figures used in the calculation directly from a brochure I have from Honda for the Type R. After browsing the net I found this site http://www.supercars.net/cars/2000@$Acura@$Integra%20Type-Rg.html which states that the weight of the Type R is 1197 kg / 2639 lbs - can someone with a Type R PLEASE VERIFY this because if the Type R weighed 30-40kg more, it would be LEGAL to drive it.

If Honda hadn't tried to save so much weight than there would be a good chance I would be driving the Type R right now. As I said I had found a nice one with low km's, stock and in excellent condition. I doubt I will find one as good if I'm looking in 16 months time.

Sorry for the essay guys.

hmmmm not sure but it could be because its been weighed with aircon, unless its a standard item they measure the tare weight (bog stock)...

Do you realise there is a model listing on the integra that has all the sepcs, if not here it is:

DC5 Integra Type R
Release:
Engine: K20A 2.0L DOHC i-VTEC, 147kW@7400RPM, 192Nm@6000RPM
Drivetrain: 6 Speed close ratio, 4.764 FD, Helical LSD (same as JDM)
Weight: 1,160Kg

DC2 Integra Type R
Released:
Engine: B18C7 1.8L DOHC VTEC, 141kW@7,900RPM
Drivetrain: 5 speed close ratio, Limited Slip Differential (LSD)
Weight: 1,087Kg

johnnykos - maybe you should be checking the weight of the Honda Integra(aust) not the Acura Integra(US). CJL posted the specs above. And most likely those are the specs used to calculate the power to weight.

Guys this sucks. but.. blame the idiots who've been illegally dragging/street racing and getting caught/killing people.

i am living in sudney and own a dc2 type r, i just got off my p's last month, i had the integra for about 5 months whilst on my p's. i never really got hassled by cops or anything, but insurance is a b**ch. Just cars quoted me 3700 and a 800 excess for my car. so if you can afford insurance for it, or are willing to just go with third party property, get the teg. its the best thing youll ever do.

i am 22 y.o....i just got my type r....i am off my P's already....i have no problems at all!! I live in melbourne by the way.

I have only lowered the car, with cat back exhaust and air filter...i havent had any problems....touch wood!

Insurance is also not a problem for me....very easy...i am paying $1650 for my car....go for it mate!!!

Which company are you quote?? I'm 23. Need to pay $3000.