2000 civic vtir coupe
stock B16A2 engine
mods include: 18" rims, king springs & tan leather interior.
95.XX kws at the wheels (TODA NSW).
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2000 civic vtir coupe
stock B16A2 engine
mods include: 18" rims, king springs & tan leather interior.
95.XX kws at the wheels (TODA NSW).
how many k's did your motor have at the time ian?
Good to see you still on...Quote:
Originally Posted by ian
you fresh leather seats were good for 5kw:thumbsup:
expect to see an insane B16 in the not so distant future...
We're building a B16a and this thing will make some serious n/a power :)
atm it has unknown compression, but id say it'll be going to around 12.5:1
custom ground cam spec'd to make power from around 6000rpm- 13,000rpm
custom crank cradle and massive 12mm main studs. Custom forged and balanced crank so that it can actually spin that fast. The head has an overtop port job to it with oversized valves.. only downside is it has performance spring which we've notifed the customer of.. theyre gonna break with that cam, but the customer says it will be ok...
what do we know about building motors....
expect it to make no less than 150kw @ wheels
damn.. 13,000rpm.. .......
would be great to see when done..
Havent heard much about forged cranks... most people just polish and balance.. damn
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Originally Posted by silver_screen
i got 105lw (up from 75) with shitty exhaust and intake, plus hondata S200 tuned by james at revzone tooQuote:
Originally Posted by gnx1987
hey guys just got back from autosalon. i was speaking to a guy with a ek w/b16 and i saw his dyno chart and it showed 96fwkw with 220nm of torque. is that normal? he told me no internals had been done the only mod he had done was 'wait for it' a 3'' exhaust wtf also he had 240XXXks on it!
yer most people.... this guy isnt most ppl.. i think his tryin to make the most powerful b16 on the planet or something...
this block and head is a real piece of work... gotta see it ;)
Its not proecu ?
no.. im sure its not
Car: 92 EG5 with B16A conversion
Engine: B16A1, 92 from Jap EG6 halfcut
Mods: TypeR throttle body, K&N "ram" style pod with custom cai box, GReddy spark plugs... haha,
That Day: shell optimax, no octane boost or any additives, serviced with motul 8100 oil.
Dyno reading: 136.8BHP, converts to roughly 102kw atw?? sound right?
Dyno Type: Dyno Dynamics, charity day at Autobarn Sunbury.
Attachment 4588
i've heard somewhere that a b16a has the most gains with a 3" exhaust...but its hard to belive without before and after dyno runsQuote:
Originally Posted by IZY-10
3" is too big for such a small engine..
i wouldnt go any bigger than a 2.5" exhaust. even with the motor we're currently building, its exhaust size isnt going anywhere beyond 2.75" which i reckon is too big anyway, there'd be more torque gain with a slightly smaller exhaust
just dynoed my em1 on sat.
got 94.5kw wif exhaust, hi-flow cat and cai.
there pretty good numbers buddyQuote:
Originally Posted by _FeRiO_
mine was dynoed a while ago, with only a pod filter on the end of my intake arm
and i got 80fwkw with a sliping clutch
the dyno was done when i first bought the car, so i'll probly dyno it again soon, to see if its any different now
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kiz_EG6
that is really good for just straight bolt on mods
Yeah i was very impressed on the day, but the sheet doesn't lie.Quote:
Originally Posted by crx88rb
The car was definately faster than my DC2R!
I dunno what it was about it!
a simple set of cams,cam gears and ecu and your looking at 145 to 55
Quote:
Originally Posted by silver_screen
keeping it 1.6L? I'd like to see that. Most have enough trouble getting 150kw with 1.8L and 2L. Guess we wait and see...
Maybe on some dodgy dynoQuote:
Originally Posted by crx88rb
disney watts in sydney :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by barefootbonzai
ahhahahah disney watts FTW!Quote:
Originally Posted by BlitZ
:p B16a2 with, Modded factory airbox+ *DH-Racing.com TB+IM Combo*+H+E quick tuned power fc.
Yes so far its staying a 1.6lt.. unless the customer decides otherwise... like i said earlier.. this guy isnt most ppl.. *whispers* i think his got problems ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by barefootbonzai
but then agian... imagine having something like a 200sx with ur typical mods, zorst, cooler + boost and then gettin mauled by a lil civic.... imagine how it would sound being inside the 200sx and havin the civic pullin away screamin @ 13,000rpm....
This guy may have problems, but atleast somethings tickin the right way in his brain :D
You don't need 13,000rpms to do that. Maybe a turbo (or two) or N20. Or just a get real sports car.Quote:
Originally Posted by silver_screen
/bait
lol i ain't gonna even bother. Let me know when you hit the 150kw with the b16. and it has to be kilo watts not disney watts.
silver screen why dont you post some dyno charts for that 500kw RX7 you got
~150Nm @ 9500rpm would be good for 150kw which is a feasible amount of torque for a high comp 1.6L, the difficult part is getting that amount of torque to carry that high into the rev range.Quote:
Originally Posted by barefootbonzai
All in good time Ek4 :)
as for needs.. u dont need 13k. or a turbo.. the customer just wants it.. and u can carry torque anywhere u want in a rev range, provided the cam is spec'd to do so and 150kw isnt an impossible feat guys.. :)
when is that 150kw beast coming out?
i have no idea... iguess whenever they cough up the cash for the job lol
I personally am not building the engine.. only the head machinest :)
Just thought I might post my dyno results.
Car: '97 Vti-R Civic
Engine: B16A2
Mods: K&N panel filter!
KW@ wheels: 92 kw atw in third
Dyno Type: Dyno Dynamics Wakelin Automotive Ballarat
Wheels: 15 inch 195 50
Temp: around 20 degrees
After 4-1 extractor and 2 1/4 inch exhaust with twin loop. Same location
KW@ wheels: 101 kw atw in third
Temp: Around 25 degress
I recently made the following..
Car: 1999 Civic Coupe VTIR
Engine: B16A2
Mods: Stock
KW At Wheels: 98.6
Dyno Type: Dyno Dynamics
Gear: 4th
Wheels: 15 inch
Temp: 8 Degrees
We made 90Kw atw when we had the b16... still ran 13.9 on street tyres :)
JDM B16A 104.9kw - catback(stock cat), full CAI.
nice figures and 1/4 times to match!
i know it is not all motor but have you guys seen this 700hp b16 before?
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread/2073807
E85 has a much higher octane rating than regular pump fuel
Just to add my previous B16a2 dynoed 97kw with only intake and ProECU
still pretty impresive:thumbsup:
My car dynoed pretty close to 110kW atw a couple of weeks ago
Not bad for an engine with 214K on the clock.
type R cams and springs (head hasn't been off the engine)
Skunk2 intake manifold with std TB
Mugen 4-1 headers with Buddy club spec III pro exhaust
Short ram intake with dodgy cold air setup.
S100
VTEC crossover @ 4800rpm NICE.
Big thanks to Dyno Dave for the tune and 101 motor cafe for the use of the dyno.
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Originally Posted by eg92b16a
I think he refers to ATW?
just had mine on the dyno over the weekend
put out 92.6kw@fw, using BP ultimate
mods are
-CAI
-xforce headers
-JDM eg6 cat
-custom 2.5" catback
not a bad result imo for a car that has 210k on the clock and is reltatively stock
Just wondering why did you opt for the 2.5" catback over the 2.25"? i would of thought that you would be loosing back pressure ultimately reducing peak power outputQuote:
Originally Posted by czy_sol87
I know.Quote:
Originally Posted by bennjamin
I think 150 ATW out of an NA B16A is stretching it. Might as well get a K20 if you want that sort of power, and probably cheaper in the long run.
back pressure gives torque, trying to salvage torque out of a b16 is pointless imo... therefore allow the higher cam to breathe better in the rpm by just free-ing the flow instead.Quote:
Originally Posted by IZY-10
if u want to gain some drivability in low rev get a light flywheel
i too have 2.5mandrel, but for me its coz i know i'll have sk2s2 cams later + higher CR.
:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by dsp26
thats the same as mine 2.5" mandrel bent cat back
i've also got a spoon lightweight fly and excedy sport ceramic clutch
sweet! i've been meaning to ask a fellow sol owner... Adrian/Toda advised that the delsol had the heaviest fly of all B series powered cars.... how big a difference was the lower rpm for you? or even 1st/2nd/3rd revability to redline? got any video clips?Quote:
Originally Posted by czy_sol87
yeah i'm not sure what you're trying to get at here jason. i'm the one who put your engine together...Quote:
Originally Posted by eg92b16a
and we've all been talking about 150kw's ATW not engine...
to tell u the truth at first i couldnt really notice the differenceQuote:
Originally Posted by dsp26
but then once i started to drive heaps more, plus driving other b16a hondas, i noticed mine does rev up heaps faster than stock flywheeled b16as
there are down sides with this package though, basicly its a bit harder to drive while a/c is on with this clutch and flywheel, and heavy traffic is a c**t cause the clutch is soo heavy and gets really sticky when it heats up
but i dont regret doin these mods at all, i recomend it to anyone that is thinkin of doin it
dont really have any videos displaying the lightweight flywheel, other than the one when it was on the dyno recently, but even then it wont really show u the effects of the lightweight flywheel
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Originally Posted by barefootbonzai
I'll edit my post then.Quote:
Originally Posted by EG92B16A
Erm...just out of curiousity, which workshop does the 150kw ATW B16a honda at? Melbourne?
Who is doing this car?? and whois car is that??
if a 13,000rpm car got 150kw atw, can i have a run with the guy??
Heh here we go......Quote:
Originally Posted by todaek9
*grabs popcorn*
If you downshift into 1st gear while sitting on around 100km/h - you will hit around 150kw @ the wheels. Everything will blow up but it will be worth the dyno printout.Quote:
Originally Posted by todaek9
Quote:
Originally Posted by bennjamin
HAHAHAHa.....uhh...now i get it...LOL!
Bang Bang
just tuned my crx using greddy emanage blue
mate of mine named Cihan Aday did the tuning using RE Customs dyno, u can find his website here or in my sig
mods are xforce headers, JDM eg6 cat, custom 2.5" mandrel bent cat back, and fujita CAI
very happy with the results more than i expected out of a relatively stock b16a2:D
before mods
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c2...7/SCAN0004.jpg
after mods
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c2...SCAN0003-1.jpg
after tune
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c2...ol87/after.jpg
Nice result.
fark louiey
such a hoon wif all that power
hehehehe:pQuote:
Originally Posted by mrwillz
im very impressed as well with the ouput of b16
yeh man not bad for a n/a 1.6, with just I/H/E and tune
hmm imagine u had some crazy quality headers. =D more poweeerr ahaha nice results but for the mods u have
imo the xforce ones are fine, and are really good bang for buckQuote:
Originally Posted by kn1ghtm4r3
if i was chasing every single kw, which im not atm i would go for some better quiality headers, even then what would the increase be 1-2kw....
Have to agree, X-force headers are bang for buck. Good for stock motors.
Very nice result there. Time to hit the strip and see it pulls.
wow nice tune, the a/f ratio is like so straight :O
hmm 108.1kw looks like i'll need a tune soon
can't wait to see what waggy gets thats things gunna be a weapon
just needs someone reliable to tune it. LOL and not to you waggy.
my tuner rekons i can pull bout 120kw@fw if i get a IM with short runners and a 70mm TB and another tune
oh and btw Cihan is willing to travel interstate to tune cars, his headed to bris this friday and tuning a couple of soarers, if anyone is interested in getting their car tuned by cihan have a look at his website (can find in my sig) or hit me up with a pm
waggy has a BDL 70mm tb for sale or he'll swap for a ITR tb. Pm him if your interested.Quote:
Originally Posted by czy_sol87
thats a big claim...Quote:
Originally Posted by czy_sol87
wat kinda dyno is it running on? cuz 120 is heaps for a b16 imo
thats 40hp ATW more than my b18c..
Same power as my B18c with 7psi of T3/4 boost goin iin it...
low 13sec machine you have there
VERY IMPRESIVE
its just an estimation proECU, not claimin that with the intake upgrades my car will make 120kw@fwQuote:
Originally Posted by ProECU
but i've ordered a skunk2 IM, buddyclub cam gears, and about to order a 68mm TB
i'll install all these and with another tune, hopefully it can pull close to the estimation
What 1/4 mile times and term speed have u run???
havent been to calder with all the mods yet
but last time i ran, only mods were headers and catback(stock cat with blown gasket), intake
i ran 15.9, and this was on shit street tyres
better tyres and if i actually learn to launch:p should show a better time
Mph??
15.97@86.04mph
60' 2.411
skunk2 pro series IM and TB have been purchased along with buddy club adjustable cam gears
will be fitting them as soon as the TB arrives then another dyno tune and hopefully will be pulling somewhere b/w 115-120kw@fw
was the last run in shoot out mode it doesnt say at the bottom
and why different dyno's every time? if i was you i'd take it back to the first place now and have them dyno it again.
Your car had 92.6kw with only mods and 108.1kw tuned thats a 15.5kw increase from tuning alone. Thats very impresive maybe i should follow your build.
my ek4 with 200,000+kms made 108.7kw with only I/H/E ask your tuner if he thinks the same method will work for me because as the theory goes with a new IM, a 70mm TB and a tune from your friend i should end up with hmm 108.7kw+15kw+11kw= 134.7kw
Your 108kw abit unrealistic IMO..... If its true your motor making 108kw atw when you go outto drags again your MPH should be around 94-98MPH.