Recent CU prices?

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Originally Posted by yfin

You need to be licensed to work on a vehicle in every state... eg:

http://www.fairtrading.nsw.gov.au/Ab...gausedcar.html


Maintenance

Your car should come with a logbook or owner’s handbook that sets out when the vehicle should be serviced and what maintenance needs to be done. If the car is still under warranty and you don’t have it serviced to the manufacturer’s maintenance schedule, you may void the warranty. As long as the service is carried out in accordance with the manufacturer’s specifications, any licensed repairer can do it, not just the dealer from whom you purchased the car. If you don’t have a logbook, ask the repairer or manufacturer to explain what is involved with each type of service and its associated cost.

Motor vehicle repairers

In NSW, repairers must be licensed to work on your car. To hold a licence a repairer must meet criteria contained in the Motor Vehicle Repairs Act 1980. For more information visit www.fairtrading.nsw.gov.au

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sorry to inform you that a mechanic does not need to hold a license in QLD

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Originally Posted by buddah51au

sorry to inform you that a mechanic does not need to hold a license in QLD

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fair enough - whether it is by way of licence, registration or trade - however you want to categorise it - one must be a professional qualified mechanic for warranty to be protected anywhere in Australia. The poster appears to be suggesting that Honda must honour a DIY backyard service. This is not correct.

Fortunately I have never needed to test out Honda on any warranty issues. I am a Licensed Mechanic & do all my own servicing. But I will say I have never had a problem with the 5 Honda's i have owned.

As for someone who is unlicensed doing there own servicing I guess you would have to weigh up the substantial amount of money you save on service costs against any warranty claims

Quick question: your first complimentary service is@1,000km and the second scheduled service is@10,000km etc. So if one was to change their oil & filter@5,000km, how's that gonna work? How will Honda know if it was a DIY job or a licenced mechanic's job?

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Originally Posted by nickxau

Quick question: your first complimentary service is@1,000km and the second scheduled service is@10,000km etc. So if one was to change their oil & filter@5,000km, how's that gonna work? How will Honda know if it was a DIY job or a licenced mechanic's job?

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If you keep your lips sealed, use genuine parts only, they won't know. But in saying that you won't have black oil when 10,000km service comes around.

But there is the problem......a 10,000km service costs around $180 to $200. Buying Genuine Oil & filter over the counter costs me $47 bucks, so conservatively I save $130 to $150 every service. It soon adds up.

In NSW you only have to be licensed when you want to be employed as a mechanic or earn money repairing cars. You certainly don't need to be licensed to work on your own car.

There are certain items on your car that you can't service yourself such as air bags and LPG tanks and in these cases you must be licensed when repairing those items yourself.

Here is the link: http://www.fairtrading.nsw.gov.au/Tr...Licensing.html

I would expect yfin to remove the "incorrect advice" comment in my CP and give himself one.

Sure anyone can change the oil.....
The problem is you need to be licensed if you want to keep your warranty. ;)
Buddah is a mechanic! ;)

I guess I am lucky in that area & am able to save considerable $$$$$. @ things i need to do for the CU2 is find the valve clearance, and the location of the fuel filter, but plenty of time for that.

I did my first oil change & filter @ 5,000km and am very keen to go to fully synthetic @ 10,000km. Actually considering weather to use Nulon & support Ausie Made or Mobil 1. The crazy thing is my local dealer said if i don't use Honda FEO (a cheap mineral oil) I will void my warranty & they wont stamp my log book. Something to consider.

Add to that if I use FEO i will change oil & filter every 5,000km, but if I go Synthetic I will revert to 10,000km service intervals. So in that regard it makes me wonder if there is much to gain by going full Synthetic. Have to make a decision soon....lol

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Originally Posted by HVF00T

In NSW you only have to be licensed when you want to be employed as a mechanic or earn money repairing cars. You certainly don't need to be licensed to work on your own car.

There are certain items on your car that you can't service yourself such as air bags and LPG tanks and in these cases you must be licensed when repairing those items yourself.

Here is the link: http://www.fairtrading.nsw.gov.au/Tr...Licensing.html

I would expect yfin to remove the "incorrect advice" comment in my CP and give himself one.

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Do you still believe that Honda must honour warranty if an unqualified person does their own oil changes? That is what you were suggesting earlier and that is wrong.

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Originally Posted by yfin

Do you still believe that Honda must honour warranty if an unqualified person does their own oil changes? That is what you were suggesting earlier and that is wrong.

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I never said unqualified. I said you don't need a license.

A "qualified" person in this case is someone that knows how to remove and replace a sump plug, remove and replace an oil filter, fill an engine with oil and check the level. You don't need to be licensed to do this nor will it void your warranty.

I expect you and others in this forum to use a bit of common sense. If I change my oil, forget to tighten the sump plug properly and the engine seizes, of course I don't expect Honda to cover the repairs under warranty.

But if I change the oil using an API service SL or higher grade oil, fit an OEM Honda oil filter, tighten the sump plug to the correct torque and ensure the oil level is correct, and the engine seizes, I would expect Honda to repair under warranty because a licensed mechanic would have done exactly as I did when changing the oil.

You need to give others in this forum some credit and assume they have some common sense and basic intellect. If some people are not comfortable changing their own oil, then by all means go and pay someone to do it.

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Originally Posted by buddah51au

...The crazy thing is my local dealer said if i don't use Honda FEO (a cheap mineral oil) I will void my warranty & they wont stamp my log book. Something to consider.

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You need to watch out for that. The standard factory warranty and factory extended warranty does not dictate the use of Honda FEO (i'm sure yfin will disagree with me), just the API grade and viscosity. You need to be careful with a dealer extended warranty though as they tend to have very stringent conditions; eg you can only service the car at the dealer you bought it from.

I suggest you (and everyone else reading this) read the conditions of your warranty and especially any extended dealer warranty conditions and come to your own conclusion. Don't just take the word of the dealer (or me or yfin) because obviously they want you to spend all your money with them.

If you don't have an extended warranty with that dealer, I suggest you take your business elsewhere.

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Originally Posted by HVF00T

I never said unqualified. I said you don't need a license.

A "qualified" person in this case is someone that knows how to remove and replace a sump plug, remove and replace an oil filter, fill an engine with oil and check the level. You don't need to be licensed to do this nor will it void your warranty.

I expect you and others in this forum to use a bit of common sense. If I change my oil, forget to tighten the sump plug properly and the engine seizes, of course I don't expect Honda to cover the repairs under warranty.

But if I change the oil using an API service SL or higher grade oil, fit an OEM Honda oil filter, tighten the sump plug to the correct torque and ensure the oil level is correct, and the engine seizes, I would expect Honda to repair under warranty because a licensed mechanic would have done exactly as I did when changing the oil.

You need to give others in this forum some credit and assume they have some common sense and basic intellect. If some people are not comfortable changing their own oil, then by all means go and pay someone to do it.

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Knowing how rarely Honda have warranty issues with engines most people would never have to worry if they are unlicensed & done their own servicing. However if something did happen to go wrong I would hate to to be the one to test that comment.

Being self taught in any field does not make you qualified in that particular field. In saying that I know Basic Servicing on Modern Cars is very straight forward, but I believe any Manufacturer would have a right to refuse a warranty repair where an unlicensed or non trades person has done their own servicing.

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Originally Posted by buddah51au

The crazy thing is my local dealer said if i don't use Honda FEO (a cheap mineral oil) I will void my warranty & they wont stamp my log book. Something to consider.

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Your dealer is telling you crap.I know for a fact of 3 Honda service centres in Sydney that use Castrol Magnatec.

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Originally Posted by tony1234

Your dealer is telling you crap.I know for a fact of 3 Honda service centres in Sydney that use Castrol Magnatec.

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I know it's crap Tony. I guess the Dealer knows the only way they can make money out of me is through buying genuine parts

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Originally Posted by buddah51au

I know it's crap Tony. I guess the Dealer knows the only way they can make money out of me is through buying genuine parts

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I wouldn't be confident in getting a dealer like that to service my car and look after me.

buddah, that similar to what day said after I complained when they make swirl marks all over my car from the "courtesy car wash" on the 1st service... I told them I will not come to service my car on this dealership anymore becoz they treat me badly, and they said "but it will void your warranty". Bleh... BS!!!!

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Originally Posted by denot

I told them I will not come to service my car on this dealership anymore becoz they treat me badly, and they said "but it will void your warranty". Bleh... BS!!!!

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Hahhaah yeh just go to another dealer Denot to service your car! my Black CU2 is notorious for getting marks and it's driving me insane trying to keep it nice and shiny!

Got my Luxury Navi Black for $54.7k and sold my other car privately. In the $54.7k price I got nearly $2k worth of accessories (accord euro mats, front aero bumper, sports grille, blue accent lighting, ipod connector, luggage tray mat, and door handle films!)

Still have not done any tinting as I don't think I'll need it (coming to Autumn here) - and car's too new to let ppl open it up and stuff for tinting.

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Originally Posted by HVF00T

You need to watch out for that. The standard factory warranty and factory extended warranty does not dictate the use of Honda FEO (i'm sure yfin will disagree with me), just the API grade and viscosity. You need to be careful with a dealer extended warranty though as they tend to have very stringent conditions; eg you can only service the car at the dealer you bought it from.

I suggest you (and everyone else reading this) read the conditions of your warranty and especially any extended dealer warranty conditions and come to your own conclusion. Don't just take the word of the dealer (or me or yfin) because obviously they want you to spend all your money with them.

If you don't have an extended warranty with that dealer, I suggest you take your business elsewhere.

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I went one step further and called Honda Australia. ;)
I used to live in Port Hedland, no Honda dealers up that way. You can get it serviced by who ever you want, as long as they are registered and you use genuine parts.

You need to have a licensed mechanic stamp for warranty.

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Originally Posted by tony1234

I wouldn't be confident in getting a dealer like that to service my car and look after me.

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Tony, after spending years in dealerships I know for a fact most servicing goes to apprentices. Personally I have no confidence in ANY DEALER when it comes to servicing. I doubt that policy has changed over the years.

Add to that most Dealerships in this town employ Filipino mechanics on short term contracts......what is their knowledge base.....if any?

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Originally Posted by buddah51au

Tony, after spending years in dealerships I know for a fact most servicing goes to apprentices. Personally I have no confidence in ANY DEALER when it comes to servicing. I doubt that policy has changed over the years.

Add to that most Dealerships in this town employ Filipino mechanics on short term contracts......what is their knowledge base.....if any?

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You're now making me worry about servicing my car at the dealership buddah, if this is the case then what are the senior mechanics doing? I'd rather not service my brand new 50k+ Euro at the hands of apprentices thanks and is it common practice?

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Originally Posted by primetimex

You're now making me worry about servicing my car at the dealership buddah, if this is the case then what are the senior mechanics doing? I'd rather not service my brand new 50k+ Euro at the hands of apprentices thanks and is it common practice?

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In my time in dealerships the senior mechanics did the more technical repairs, eg - engines, g/boxes, clutches, suspension & brake hydraulics & so on.

But i must admit i haven't worked since substaining a severe injury in 1991 & cars have become a lot more reliable since that time. In saying that though I have kept myself fairly well up to date with current technology.

As for Filipino mechanics working in dealerships, I don't know how widespread that is in other areas. After several trips to the Philippines I have seen how they work in their own country & they have no formal apprenticeships there.

Basically, the service you get comes down to the individual doing the job, not the dealership or private repair shop. After running several workshops in my time and taking flak for other peoples stuff ups, I got out of that area altogether & finished up working for Lubemobile in Sydney. but once again they had a few workers in those days i would not have recommended although most of the mechanics were well qualified.

Thanks for your replies buddah. I have been servicing my Honda's through the dealers for the past 20 years odd and have suspected that at time a less than well qualified mechanic is working on the car.

I don't know whether it is a good idea to make it a point for the Service Advisors that no apprentices to work on the car because after all we are paying our hard earned money on it.

I personally think that to make such a comment would be a waste of breath, once the car is in the workshop you have no control over who works on the car.

These comments today have got me thinking on what would be the best advice I could post, so here is what i would do personally if I was paying for others to service my car considering the $$$$$$ Dealers charge. For intermediate servicing i would probably use Ultra Tune. Then maybe consider using the dealer for major services only (every 40,000km), but if you were happy with the service you were getting stick with Ultra tune permanently.

The other thing many are not aware of is if you read the fine print in your service manual it recommends oil changes every 5,000km under severe conditions. Severe conditions for engines is stop start city driving and short trips. And don't forget your Auto Trans - service (change oil) once a year or every 20,000km, whichever comes first. Note that when you change Auto Trans oil you can only drain around 33% of the oil.

Thanks for your tips buddah, much appreciated. I'll keep a reminder on that Oil Change under severe conditions. I've done around 600km's in about 2 weeks since I picked up my Euro'09 so I'll hit 1000km's very soon.

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Originally Posted by primetimex

....I don't know whether it is a good idea to make it a point for the Service Advisors that no apprentices to work on the car because after all we are paying our hard earned money on it.

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I would vote for 'not a good idea'. Apprentices have to be trained otherwise there would not be any experienced mechanics in future. I would only suggest that an experienced mechanic should be looking over their shoulder. And really, changing oil is not rocket science.

anyway...... whats the "Recent CU prices"? :p

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Originally Posted by denot

anyway...... whats the "Recent CU prices"? :p

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See my post at #257 for Recent CU Prices. Let me know what you think of the deal that I've got.

Is it manual or Auto? According to Redbook the 2009 Auto Navi is $46,990 + on road costs. You paid $7710 in on road costs.... how much is stamp duty and rego in WA?

2 weeks ago my friend got 09 Lux Manual with tint and mat for $42k drive away, Still got the extras (5 yrs warranty, free rego n stamp duty)

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Originally Posted by rodericb

Is it manual or Auto? According to Redbook the 2009 Auto Navi is $46,990 + on road costs. You paid $7710 in on road costs.... how much is stamp duty and rego in WA?

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It is Auto - and in WA here the base price for 2009 Auto Navi is $48,980.00 (which means dealer delivery cost of $1,990 is included) and WA on road costs total $2,842.85 plus rego 6 months $306.15 = total $52,129.00 driveaway.

Accessories total $4123 and I paid $54,794 in the end which works out to be a saving of around $1458 all inclusive.

Accs: Floor Mat, Boot Liner Tray, Door Handle Protector, Accent Lighting, Door Sill Garnish Set, Speaker Ring Garnish Set, Sports Pedals, Ipod Adaptor Cable, Sports Grille and Front Aero Bumper

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Originally Posted by primetimex

It is Auto - and in WA here the base price for 2009 Auto Navi is $48,980.00 (which means dealer delivery cost of $1,990 is included) and WA on road costs total $2,842.85 plus rego 6 months $306.15 = total $52,129.00 driveaway.

Accessories total $4123 and I paid $54,794 in the end which works out to be a saving of around $1458 all inclusive.

Accs: Floor Mat, Boot Liner Tray, Door Handle Protector, Accent Lighting, Door Sill Garnish Set, Speaker Ring Garnish Set, Sports Pedals, Ipod Adaptor Cable, Sports Grille and Front Aero Bumper

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DAMN......you got smoked.....that's alot of money for a euro.

Yeah. People in remote from east-coast universe-central; in far-flung colonies, always get ripped-off!

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Originally Posted by SPQR

Yeah. People in remote from east-coast universe-central; in far-flung colonies, always get ripped-off!

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Well, I have absolutely no idea why here in far West we always get ripped! :eek:

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Originally Posted by albii

DAMN......you got smoked.....that's alot of money for a euro.

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Yeah,i was thinking the same thing.

Would have been cheaper to fly to Melb ,Syd or Bris 1st class and get a full police escort back.

Anyone else here from Perth WA want to post their CU2 prices for comparison???

To the best of my knowledge all Honda's sold in WA are transported from the east coast, so transport costs are passed on to the buyer.

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Originally Posted by buddah51au

To the best of my knowledge all Honda's sold in WA are transported from the east coast, so transport costs are passed on to the buyer.

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Not really and it's just another gouge by the dealer. I guess some dealers will try it on and some buyers will accept it.

Is it true that theres only 4-5 dealers in Perth? That according to a friend who live in Perth... That makes sense why the price is higher there...

There's only one in Darwin. In fact, only one of each (but not all) brands. And most dealers sell more than one brand but they are the only dealer for that brand. The market is sewn-up here. No competition if you want a particular brand and if you're prepared to buy a Volkswagen instead of a Honda, then just turn around the other way to talk to the Volkswagen sales-rep! No need to leave the Honda dealership!

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Originally Posted by denot

Is it true that theres only 4-5 dealers in Perth? That according to a friend who live in Perth... That makes sense why the price is higher there...

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Correct we have only 3 major Honda dealers here in Perth!
Everyone of them has the same price list for the Honda so it's up to each buyer's negotiation skills to max up discounts during a the buying process.

should have flown elsewhere..would have saved a truckload.

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Originally Posted by albii

should have flown elsewhere..would have saved a truckload.

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And that could be a problem too: Airfares from Perth-to-East coast > East coast-to-Perth. And after you buy the car, you can pay up to $1,500 in freight to get it to Perth as most trucks coming to Perth are full but return part-empty.

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Originally Posted by SPQR

And that could be a problem too: Airfares from Perth-to-East coast > East coast-to-Perth. And after you buy the car, you can pay up to $1,500 in freight to get it to Perth as most trucks coming to Perth are full but return part-empty.

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also the time spend on the trip etc (if you dont have anything else to do in east coast after purchasing the car)