i dont think the v-power and vortex 98 are comparable as it is pretty obvious the vortex is better fuel. I think u gotta compare the v-power racing and vortex 98 to get the best result :)
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i dont think the v-power and vortex 98 are comparable as it is pretty obvious the vortex is better fuel. I think u gotta compare the v-power racing and vortex 98 to get the best result :)
V-power racing is not the best. I prefer V-power over V-power racing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hans Bond
so theres no need for me to fill injector cleaning fluid if im using V power but if im using BP Ultimate, i should ?Quote:
Originally Posted by didz
Does using the fluid make any difference to km's. Also, how often do you guys do it ?
v-power racing is just the same as the v-power 98, performance wise anyway
to me it just seems like that the v-power racing just last that little bit longer than the v-power 98, but that little bit longer of fuel is not worth it in a way
but with the BP ultimate and the BP 95, i nearly got the same km's with both it veries really, all cars have there good and bad days, and the weather (hot cold) high way or city driving,
but to my car BP98 just feels that little bit betta then all the rest
If you are using V-Power or any other 98 octane fuel then there is not really a need for the extra fluids. In asnwer to your question BP Ultimate is a 98 octane fuel. IF your vehicle is misfiring, a bit jerky or underperforming an injector cleaner MAY help but it could be a number of other things also contributing (eg: fuel filter/pump/lines, spark plugs/leads and ignition timing just to name a few). If you are using 98 octane fuel then adding in extra injector cleaner is not needed. It will not increase ur mileage if you use 98 octane fuel.Quote:
Originally Posted by BC8
If you use it with 92 octane or 95 it may increase mileage IF your injectors are not very clean.
I would recommend using it with 92-95 octane fuel every few thousand kays however you dont really need to because all you need to do is fill up with 98 instead every once and a while (cheaper).
Hope you can make sense of this im not sure if it makes sense lol...
Ultimate also has cleaners in it.Quote:
Originally Posted by BC8
As didz mentioned, most fuels are designed to keep all the internals clean to ensure maximum efficiency. I can relate to a previous experience while using Vortex with my dad's car.
At that time he just got himself a 2nd hand car and according to the previous owner he only pumped regular unleaded(did not specify which). As my dad works for Caltex, naturally he would pump only the best from Caltex.
Several tanks later with Vortex, he noticed the car started to have problems and it was very sluggish. The car just broke down one day and could not be started. When the mechanic got back to us we were told that the whole exhaust system was totally clogged up. Apparently Vortex had cleaned up the engine so much that in the process it clogged up the exhaust and caused those problems. Btw, this was back 7-8 years or so so I may have missed out on some details.
Also if I may add, in the context of current fuel available for the general market, different fuel does not add power to your car. It is the cleaning properties and efficiency of the fuel which keeps your engine clean hence allowing your car to perform at its peak output and mileage. As previously mentioned, some fuels work better on certain engines, you just have to figure out which works best for you :)
If I may add again, and also relating to didz's post - cleaning fluids, additives, etc are not necessary. They are expensive and not worth the money in my opinion. The simplest and best way is simply to use a petrol of your choice with some cleaning properties e.g. Vortex, Ultimate, etc. I'm not really familiar with other fuel but you get my point.
I'm not sure about the market in Australia but back in Malaysia where my dad works, none of the Caltex petrol stations sell additives, injector cleaners or any sort of those cleaning stuff you add to your tank after a refill. The reason for that is simple - these large oil companies spend billions in R&D to make the best fuel. Why would you have to spend extra cash on additives, cleaners, etc on such a product unless you're using an inferior product? :)
Well, I just pumped a tankful of Vortex 98. Let's see how this goes.
I honestly have tried All the fuels and the only main differances i have found from personal experiance is that :
BP Ultimate: More power better responce
Shell V-Power: More Km's per tank
Speed safe
Is it just me or is all the fuel the same?
Cuz last time I checked its just general pump fuel not rocket fuel for a high powered jet engine....
91 and 95 octane are usually the same across brands (same supplier). But the 98 octanes are made according to the brand's specifications.Quote:
Originally Posted by lil_miss_vtec
Aarong is right, there are 2 refineries in Brisvegas, 2 in Sydney, 2 in Melbourne and 1 in Perth. Most of the 95 and 91 RON fuel for each state comes from these same sources, i.e. if you buy from a Caltex in Perth then most likely it was refined at BP's Kwinana complex. 91 and 95 is simply made to the Australian Standard and all companies use it in each location because value adding and branding is just not economically viable for such a price sensitive product. Wheras for the Premium 98 fuels each company has its own specs and tries to set themselves apart for their 'flagship' products.
BTW. Perth people should have a broader choice soon with Caltex now shipping Vortex98 over there.
ahh ok - I always use premium fuel from shell, bp, caltex and I hardly notice any diffrence?!
Ok after 1 full tank of BP i found that i did not have the same power as before with v-power. I foudn that v-power gave me better response and power. I am now using a full tank of v-power. Interesting to see the results now.
I've always used BP Ultimate since it came out. Until recently however, I decided to try what's over the fence and fill up with Caltex Vortex98. I'm about 3/4 of the way thru the tank and so far I am noticing the car feels torquier and very smooth, plus the mileage is considerably more. On Ultimate I would be lucky to get 350km out of a full tank. With this tank of Vortex98, so far I have travelled 400km and I still have 1/4 of a tank to go. I have not changed my driving style nor travelled anywhere different, just my usual weekly commuting. Interesting so far. Next to try will be a tankful of VPower to see how that compares.Quote:
Originally Posted by didz
**** man what car do u drive and how hard!!!? lol 350kays?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpine
I get like 550-600 out of my type r with a full tank. I think next i will try vortec 98 althought not many places around me sell it.
shell optimax ftw!
I use BP. It's 98%. Shell is only 96.
not sure where u got this from.....Quote:
Originally Posted by shebangs
BP is 98 octane not %. V-Power is also 98 Octane
Shell is 98.. i think you are thinking of vortex.
seems like bp for the win
I think He is talking about the old shell gas stations that have premium unleaded 96 not V-power which is 98.Quote:
Originally Posted by shebangs
I cant beleive you guys get even 500 kays,
Me and my Type S cant do better than 450 ( it only got 10,000 kays tho)
I am now on my 4th tank of Vortex98 and I gotta say...it is noticably better than Ultimate in my car - more torque, smooth revving, even squeezes abit more mileage per tank too.
Not sure why this would be so, but even the wife noticed the difference without any prompting so that says alot coz when it comes to cars she can't tell the difference between a car and a bar of soap. Plus I never told her I changed fuels.
I'll be sticking to Vortex98 for the foreseeable future and also benefitting from the 4c vouchers.
http://motoring.asiaone.com.sg/owners/20070428_001.html
Came across this article on the net today - interesting reading.
Not really a good article though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpine
I agree, the fact that no charts at all are shown just tells me "who cares what you guys think" it's also very vague and only mentions the performance of the 95 fuels, nothing of the 98 ones they used.Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
I need to find a vortex 98 store for my car to test that. The one in vermont south might be the one for me. i get 4 cents off as well so it might be the best choice overall!
Some Caltex outlets offer a further 4 cents off if you purchase something worth $5 or more. That's a 8 cents off per litre!
The only nice one that is worth it for me is Shell's 2 cents off if you spend $2 in store. That is because they sell the Eclipse mints, 2 packs for $4, which is cheaper than what safeway/woolies and coles charge for ($2.30 per pack)Quote:
Originally Posted by De_Cruelz
well that extra 4c u get for buying something at least $5 in store isnt really worth it, if u werent planning to buy something. think abt it, if u bought something for $5 just to get that extra 4c, ull actually be paying more than if the original discount was 8c without the $5 in store purchase, (unless ur refuelling like 100+ L of fuel lol)
^^^
True about that, but sometimes I do get drinks like the 2 Gatorade pack or something similar on offer :)
smokers take advantage of such schemes. smokes are like 10 bucks a pack so they = winners.Quote:
Originally Posted by drsilliez
Have been using Caltex Vortex98 for the past half dozen tanks and was very impressed. Decided to give Shell V-Power a go as it was the only remaining fuel out of BP, Caltex and Shell I had not yet tried. Disappointing to say the least. Engine feels thin and has no feeling of torque compared to Vortex98 which noticably felt alot better than Ultimate and V-Power. Will be going back to Vortex98 once this tank of V-Power is used up and sticking with it.
someone should just post up a poll on wat fuels people use, then we will know how many people use wat fuels.
I Used to use BP every time, but then one time i got cought out and had to use Shell V-Power. I got an extra 50k's out of the tank and didn't feel any difference with power. I have been using it ever since but will be going bak to ultimate next time to see if there is any change...
was using shell v-power and now have changed to mobil, feels alot better the car and also giving extra milage per a tank as well
Well, try out every fuel at least once. If you have tried BP Ultimate, Vpower and Mobil 8000, give Vortex98 a go if they sell it in your area.
when i was at bathurst last year for the 1000 they were doing comparison test between optimax and ultimate on an xr8.
the kw was about 5kw in the testing condition so in that respect i would probably go ultimate over optimax.
my person pref tho would be mobil synergy 8000, used to have a worked v8 and the only fuel that would ping was the mobil. id also recommend vortex premium, good fuel price wise and 4c off a litre with woolworths docket!
hehe
but if you guys want a good fuel for racing i think u can still get the 108 oct stuff from the fuel station near bankstown airport
I couldn't be bothered reading the whole thread so if this was said then sorry. In my knowledge BP are consitant with their fuels in that when they say the fuel is 98ron than it is 98ron as opposed to shell which are inconsistent. There have been reports where the advertised shell v power racing which is supposed to have 100ron and actually have mixed results ranging from 95-102ron. These reports were made due to the necessity of high powered cars needing to run on high octane fuel, and when one of the cars exhibited detonation they traced it back to the fuel, thus conducting tests on different fuels. The article is somewhere on the net if you can find it. So definantly BP ultimate, i've personally never really liked shell anyways, my second choice is caltex.
Another source of information was the BP are the only fuel company which has a true 98 octane percentage in their fuels and that the others all require additives to reach their 98 octane which could explain for the variance in fuel octane ratings found in other fuels.
Not really true. Petrol consists not only of 1 component. It's a cocktail of many different chemicals, some to clean your engine, others to increase octane. And I can bet you that BP also adds aromatics and benzene to increase the octane rating to 98.Quote:
Originally Posted by loco_corolla
I was running of information i sourced from the net, although what ur saying may be true, it may also be true that yeah sure bp have additives but that the 98octane fuel is mixed independently whereas the other fuels may take 95octane fuel and then add more stuff to make up to 98. A personal opinion i'm making about what information i've gathered.Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
You should find out what base stock does BP use to make that 98 octane.Quote:
Originally Posted by loco_corolla
Are you referring to shell??? How all fuels come from shell.
All 91 and 95 octane petrols come from the same source. The 98s are made to the brand's specifications and have very slight differences.Quote:
Originally Posted by loco_corolla
get ur sheety optimax then go down to supercheap and buy the NOS range octane booster lol
Just an article related to inconsistencies with BP ultimate fuel
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=276389
Well well well. So much for the mighty "always consistent" BP Ultimate!!
Read the details and understand them first. The article is about 91 and 95 octane petrol being sold as the 98. Basically it was covered on TodayTonight last night and all of the service stations which have been found to do this are owned by the one guy who has Allegedly deliberately switched the fuel over for profiteering purposes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpine
Based on this information i still believe there is nothing wrong with BP Ultimate and that i still go by my original statement which is based on the research done by a friend of mine which concluded, BP Ultimate and Mobile SYnergy 8000 were the cleanest fuels and rated as the best for the engine they were testing it on (an engine from a Formula Holden race car). Their test showed that V-Power was the lowest in the ratings.
Where did Caltex Vortex 98 come in that ranking?
I Am loyal to BP Ultimate, I cant get a consistent feel for Mobil 8000 fuel, Vortex feels sluggish like Vpower but w/o the extra Ks
My car likes caltex vertex 95 don't no why.
it pulls, feels and sounds better and better Ks. d series like caltex vertex I believe.
Somewhere in the higher middle range, i think not too far below mobile and bp ultimateQuote:
Originally Posted by Alpine
Does anyone have the Name or location of those Eleven BP petrol stations in northern NSW? So People can avoid to refuel at those stations. We don't known what the owner mix in the other type of fuels to profiteering.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rasputin
Would you reccomend the higher priced fuel for all Hondas or just the VTEC models and such.
Just to throw something out there for you guys. I run vortex 98 i get bout 350 out of the dc2r modified. I run Ultimate i get 400 420 depending on how heavy i am on the accelerator.
Heres something for you to think bout. Running caltex my knock reading will fly around 40 50 and on bad day 60. When im running bp knock stays on 15 sometimes 20 on vtec 30......
I was using Caltex Vortex98 and I decided to change to Shell V-Power. I noticed a significant increase in km's, although I have a heavy foot and in my dc2 am only getting a maximum of 400kms a tank...I think that's bad.
I've tried to read through all the pages but can't really find what I'm after...
what's the best petrol for km's and performance? between BP Ultimate, Shell V-Power and Mobil Synergy?
Thanks.
I tried broth Caltex Vortex98 and Shell V-Power. From what i have experience i get more km's on V-power than Vortex98.
I also get about 400kms a tank for my dc2r
Do you guys reset your ECU every time you change brand of fuels?
No, at least i dontQuote:
Originally Posted by Alpine
I only reset when i mod something.
BTW i get more performance from Ultimate but alittle more Ks from V-power
dont forget the car needs to be tuned for 98octane, theres no real point in running 98 if the car is only tuned for 91 or 95.
although 98 will help clean out your engine a bit.
Personally, i dont need to use PULP 98, Shell ULP is fine for my teg lux.
hey i had a d series engine before. for the best power and km's on the d series is the mobile premium unleaded. i use to get 500kms out of each tank with thrashing it. It runs alot smoother.
wouldn't doing so not give you a true representation of what the fuel can do for your car?Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
I was always under the impression that the best way to test the fuel's capabilities would be to run as high a percentage of the said fuel as possible. this would mean that if I want to test Fuel B, I need to make sure that I top up Fuel B whilst I have as little as Fuel A left as possible, and then proceed to top up Fuel B for the next few rounds to dilute and reduce the proportion of Fuel A out.
or maybe you're just "sampling" the goods before you give it a test run? :p
I meant to try each fuel, full tank each time and use the same brand for at least 2 full tanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by terryansimon
oh I see.
so I was right as well! yay. (=
Was there ever a conclusion on this thread?
i reckon BP ultimateQuote:
Originally Posted by xenonkuraz
i reckon bp ultimate or mobil s8000
Anyone know how the Safeway premium unleaded 98octane (what was the name again?) compares with the others?
Safeway is Caltex pretty much - use your dockets at Caltex. I think their Vortex 98 stuff is okay, its not my first choice - Shell is sually my best bet
but if i'm desperate for petrol and caltex is there, i'll stop and get some. heck i had to fill up some Boost98 from United the other day, the car felt crap for the $10 of petrol i put in.....i think there was ethanol in it. i wouldnt have got it, but the fuel light was on, and i was in the middle of nowhere.....
This is a huge thread, but to keep all the information in a central place on here, check out the MoTeC fuel test.
http://www.motec.com.au/fueltest/index.htm
Along with the fith gear test posted pages back and the test at Bathurst some one was referring too.. the shell fuel (Shell V-Power racing in this case) came out tops.
V8 supercars use shell V-Power racing as the control fuel (in the same guise as you can get it at the pump.) Ferrari's F1 team use it (they add some stuff to it though).. and i use it. I think it's good stuff.
Helps to cure det in crazy stressed tunes too. :thumbsup:
in terms of kilometres, i find caltex 98 to be one of the best for me. get about 500 kays with vtec here and there, shifting at about 4.5k rpm
i found Vortex 98 is better than Ultimate for sum reason....
everytime i use ultimate i felt that my car become lack of power and heavier... and sumtimes missfiring... althought it gives me better KM's than other..
I like the Vortex in my EH and GTi to be honest. The EH just needs leaded octane levels (close to 98) and the Vortex can be shopper docketed for cheapies. In the GTi I see a bit of drop in economy - the SiR hated it though. Had to go ultimate or synergy in it.
Recently,I changed from bp98 to use Vpower on my euro, it gives me more about 40kms to go per half a tank, i dunt know why
Love using the Vpower!
has any tried using the v-power racing?
apparently v power racing uses ethanol. considering how lean vtec'd hondas generally run, its not a good idea to use ethanol unless you've tuned your car for it, and you use up fuel like a vacuum cleaner. (otherwise your fuel lines will corrode as it oxidises to ethanoic acid)Quote:
Originally Posted by vtec_man
like duh. United emphasise the use of ethanol. notice the CSR logo? that means they distill ethanol from CSR sugar. its absolute shite for all your new vtec'd hondas, but it works like a dream for my sohc non-vtec carby.Quote:
Originally Posted by m0nk3y
No, it works fine for new hondas (up to 10%), except for slightly worse fuel consumption. I'd worry for your carby though as your seals were not specced for use with ethanol.Quote:
Originally Posted by SeverAMV
When running 98 RON, the AF ratio on my Euro was about 10.5 when using full throttle in highcam.Quote:
Originally Posted by SeverAMV
honda states its an 'acceptable level of corrosion' for new cars.Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
carburettors run more efficiently on ethanol based fuels, it somewhat counters the inefficiencies of the carby by supplying the extra oxygen present in alcohol.