How fast is a RX8?

Buddy, you need to calm down and re-read the point of my post, coupled with the post by Ben. My post was never about a comparison rather it was a clarification on the Technology.

As for how well I did in mine, I'll leave it to you to do a simple search and find out. There's no secret there.

As for what i run in my car, I basically have a street car, hence I run with the VTEC mechanism. However, as to my point, if I were running a Track car, I would definately seriously consider running just high profile cams as revs hardly ever fall below 7000rpm (unless a mistake is made) - There are many advantages to doing this.

In regards to this thread, its just people comparing and exchanging knowledge. Even if its pointless (and they need to take it down to the track), its not harming anyone. You need to chill and maybe join in constructively.

Finally, if you still want to run me, I'll oblige at any of the three tracks around. There's a circuit club day at wakefield coming up in December.

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Originally Posted by todaek9

Why not you take your Vtec (or with your killer cams) and drag mine?
My point is that...why is there so much comparison? just do it and stop assuming...I think all of us would wanna know the results...

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Originally Posted by todaek9

One thing, you seem very experience in VTEC...I really wonder how well you did in yours, or you just read from the book...but if you did very well, like there is some hidden secret to make your's somemore special than others, please do show me some trick up your sleeves...Cause i'm very curious bout it as well...

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Originally Posted by e240

Buddy, you need to calm down and re-read the point of my post, coupled with the post by Ben. My post was never about a comparison rather it was a clarification on the Technology.

As for how well I did in mine, I'll leave it to you to do a simple search and find out. There's no secret there.

As for what i run in my car, I basically have a street car, hence I run with the VTEC mechanism. However, as to my point, if I were running a Track car, I would definately seriously consider running just high profile cams as revs hardly ever fall below 7000rpm (unless a mistake is made) - There are many advantages to doing this.

In regards to this thread, its just people comparing and exchanging knowledge. Even if its pointless (and they need to take it down to the track), its not harming anyone. You need to chill and maybe join in constructively.

Finally, if you still want to run me, I'll oblige at any of the three tracks around. There's a circuit club day at wakefield coming up in December.

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^^ Agree.

However, when I track, for me the most used RPM range (during cornering) is between 5k-7k+ (depending on how narrow the corner is). Do you also always keep your RPM above 7K when cornering?

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Originally Posted by ennavoli

^^ Agree.

However, when I track, for me the most used RPM range (during cornering) is between 5k-7k+ (depending on how narrow the corner is). Do you also always keep your RPM above 7K when cornering?

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Well, at least above 6000rpm for my car and setup.

I try and keep the engine as much as possible in the powerband, and it really depends from engine to engine, and driver to driver.

Anyway, I think we've strayed way off topic so that try and bring this back to "How fast is an RX8".. :-p

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Originally Posted by spetz

What does a standard RX8 do over the 400m run?

I raced one with a friends B16 EG Hatch and beat one (He was clearly trying too)
But then I just watched a Topgear episode where around their track it was as quick as a M3

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You pretty much answer your own question dude, u asked how fast it does on a straight line, and how the B16 can beat it .. or indicate it has close performance figures.... then you compare its performance around a TRACK which consist of corners and NOT JUST STRAIHT LINE against a M3 and indicate it as fast as a M3 on a track ... what does that mean to ?

I think that clearly tells me its not so fast on a straight line but the car's overall cornering and balance can matach a M3 time around track ?

those that just worry about straight line speed.. dont buy a rx8.... get a rocket...

RX8 is not that whole lot faster than a B16. Definitely faster on paper but every1 claims the 0-100km to be faster than it is actually tested. Ha.

2 ways B16 stands a chance is:

1.) Good I/H/E, HD Clutch,flywheel,JUN/TODA racing cams,valve spring etc, Power FC+gd tune.. B16a in an EG/EF maybe a Stripped EK will keep up with a RX8 that is pretty stock. Might on might not win depend on how noob the RX8driver is.

2.) B16a with I/H/E, HD clutch and flywheel, NO ECU.
Might only keep up with an AUTOMATIC RX8.

Dont underestimate a B16. No torque but there's sure gd top end ready to put up a gd fight.

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Originally Posted by VT1-R

RX8 is not that whole lot faster than a B16. Definitely faster on paper but every1 claims the 0-100km to be faster than it is actually tested. Ha.

2 ways B16 stands a chance is:

1.) Good I/H/E, HD Clutch,flywheel,JUN/TODA racing cams,valve spring etc, Power FC+gd tune.. B16a in an EG/EF maybe a Stripped EK will keep up with a RX8 that is pretty stock. Might on might not win depend on how noob the RX8driver is.

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So it takes a pretty extensively modded EG b16a just to keep up with a stock RX-8. Ok... so that means Stock RX-8 > Stock EG B16a (AUDM, if you consider engine swapping as stock).

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Originally Posted by VT1-R

2.) B16a with I/H/E, HD clutch and flywheel, NO ECU.
Might only keep up with an AUTOMATIC RX8.

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Pretty sad considering a fully bolt-on equipped B16a just keeps up with an auto RX-8 which is already slower than an Euro, which is a slow car.

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Originally Posted by VT1-R

RX8 is not that whole lot faster than a B16. Definitely faster on paper but every1 claims the 0-100km to be faster than it is actually tested. Ha.

2 ways B16 stands a chance is:

1.) Good I/H/E, HD Clutch,flywheel,JUN/TODA racing cams,valve spring etc, Power FC+gd tune.. B16a in an EG/EF maybe a Stripped EK will keep up with a RX8 that is pretty stock. Might on might not win depend on how noob the RX8driver is.

2.) B16a with I/H/E, HD clutch and flywheel, NO ECU.
Might only keep up with an AUTOMATIC RX8.

Dont underestimate a B16. No torque but there's sure gd top end ready to put up a gd fight.

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your dreaming mate!!!! u have a ek which is heavier so that mite be your expriences
a rx8 does around 6.6 sec 0-100 AUTO 7.5 sec
eg b16a does around 7 sec 0-100
ALL STOCK

so he has a eg 1050 kg car with 125kw
rx8 1600 kg with 177kw

go figure mate

i have a eg with a b16 and some of those mods u mention and lets just say easy !!! ......... FOR ONCE AND FOR ALL

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Originally Posted by 90LAN

your dreaming mate!!!! u have a ek which is heavier so that mite be your expriences
a rx8 does around 6.6 sec 0-100 AUTO 7.5 sec
eg b16a does around 7 sec 0-100
ALL STOCK

so he has a eg 1050 kg car with 125kw
rx8 1600 kg with 177kw

go figure mate

i have a eg with a b16 and some of those mods u mention and lets just say easy !!! ......... FOR ONCE AND FOR ALL

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dude... rx8 weighs 1340kg. its a rotary, not a shitty8. rx8 auto is slower because it makes less power, so the 0-100 time is slightly worse.
plus, the main difference in acceleration can be attributed to gear ratios. rx8 gear ratios are designed for efficiency in mind and low rev cruising (altho rotary and efficiency dont mix), ie. first gear redlines 70-80, second gear 110-ish, third at 150-160-ish. compare that with a civic, first redlines around 50-60, second around 85-100, third around 130-ish. shorter ratio = faster acceleration due to retaining more power on upshifts. if you want to compare them more directly, have the rx8 launch in first and the civic in second, then the comparisons would be slightly more relevant.

rotary motors are also more efficient in that more of their power gets to the wheels. a stock b16a jdm spec might produce 125kw at the motor, but it produces like 80fwkw (correct me if im wrong), where as the rotary puts around 110-130rwkw (correct me if im wrong again). these are going by the dyno results people seem to put online. factor in weight and the power to weight of the rotary is still slightly better.

in the end, the answer to the question of this topic depends on the definition of fast. are we comparing straight line or track time? stock or tuned? feeling or records on paper?

oh well carrying less weight and still goes slower than a eg with i/h/e
but the thread is about a EG WITH A B16 BEATING A RX8!!!!
doesnt matter what else bullshit u come up with
thats the fact ........
TAKE IT FROM SOME ONE THAT KNOWS
ps mate i was replying to VTIR that his claims were not correct
thats all if u read that part

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Originally Posted by SeverAMV

dude... rx8 weighs 1340kg. its a rotary, not a shitty8. rx8 auto is slower because it makes less power, so the 0-100 time is slightly worse.
plus, the main difference in acceleration can be attributed to gear ratios. rx8 gear ratios are designed for efficiency in mind and low rev cruising (altho rotary and efficiency dont mix), ie. first gear redlines 70-80, second gear 110-ish, third at 150-160-ish. compare that with a civic, first redlines around 50-60, second around 85-100, third around 130-ish. shorter ratio = faster acceleration due to retaining more power on upshifts. if you want to compare them more directly, have the rx8 launch in first and the civic in second, then the comparisons would be slightly more relevant.

rotary motors are also more efficient in that more of their power gets to the wheels. a stock b16a jdm spec might produce 125kw at the motor, but it produces like 80fwkw (correct me if im wrong), where as the rotary puts around 110-130rwkw (correct me if im wrong again). these are going by the dyno results people seem to put online. factor in weight and the power to weight of the rotary is still slightly better.

in the end, the answer to the question of this topic depends on the definition of fast. are we comparing straight line or track time? stock or tuned? feeling or records on paper?

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Originally Posted by 90LAN

oh well carrying less weight and still goes slower than a eg with i/h/e
but the thread is about a EG WITH A B16 BEATING A RX8!!!!
doesnt matter what else bullshit u come up with
thats the fact ........
TAKE IT FROM SOME ONE THAT KNOWS
ps mate i was replying to VTIR that his claims were not correct
thats all if u read that part

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im not making up bullshit. you're trying to compare a stock rx8 with a tuned civic. thats like comparing a stocko ferrari with a 1000hp gtr, its a stupid comparison.

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Originally Posted by SeverAMV

im not making up bullshit. you're trying to compare a stock rx8 with a tuned civic. thats like comparing a stocko ferrari with a 1000hp gtr, its a stupid comparison.

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mate read what the thread is about ....
stop being in denial
55k + car compared to a 12k car i think that is a good comparsion

have u got a eg with a b16 ????

any thing esle u can come up with mate .........

by the way a stock enzo ferarri would give a 1000 hp gtr a good run for its money ......

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Originally Posted by SeverAMV

if you want to compare them more directly, have the rx8 launch in first and the civic in second, then the comparisons would be slightly more relevant.

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Not really. 1st gear in the RX-8 is still shorter than the 2nd gear of the Civic.

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Originally Posted by SeverAMV

rotary motors are also more efficient in that more of their power gets to the wheels. a stock b16a jdm spec might produce 125kw at the motor, but it produces like 80fwkw (correct me if im wrong), where as the rotary puts around 110-130rwkw (correct me if im wrong again). these are going by the dyno results people seem to put online. factor in weight and the power to weight of the rotary is still slightly better.

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Power to the wheels is a function of the transmission and drivetrain. Not the engine.
B16a puts down more power than 80kW atw. And I've seen stock RX-8s put down anything from 109kW to 122kW (both on the same day and on the same dyno)

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Originally Posted by aaronng

Not really. 1st gear in the RX-8 is still shorter than the 2nd gear of the Civic.
Power to the wheels is a function of the transmission and drivetrain. Not the engine.
B16a puts down more power than 80kW atw. And I've seen stock RX-8s put down anything from 109kW to 122kW (both on the same day and on the same dyno)

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hence i said slightly more relevant, not completely the same.
rotary motor has less moving parts, hence less energy wasted on each part, so the engine is somewhat relevant to power at the wheels.

@90LAN- i have read what the original topic about. the title is how fast is an rx8, the question was how fast they ran down the quarter mile, the statement was that he beat one, and the answer to the quarter mile time was given early in the thread.

no, i dont have a b16a powered eg6, but bragging about one beating an rx8 one time would be like me bragging about my ed6 keeping up with evos in the hills. until theres a time slip or a printed record, no one really gives a rats ass, even if i can keep up with the odd evo in the hills.

mate u always get off the topic for some reason.....
wonder why
funny how u can put your 2 cents in when u dont even own a eg b16
go put a b16 in your car then u will know to then
until then keep on dreaming ....
mate if u lived in brisbane u would know my car as do most ppl in brisbane that are into the honda scene
i dont need to prove time slips or kills or that bullshit
i drive my car to enjoy it even if it means passing a rx8 sometime at full throttle under the speed limit of course
as the majority of ppl on oz honda that have eg with a b16 know that it will beat a rx8
they are just sick of ppl like you who are in denial and cant relise that a civic can beat a rx8

thats why the cant be bother posting up in this thread any more

go race up the hills with your ed civic mate

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Originally Posted by SeverAMV

hence i said slightly more relevant, not completely the same.
rotary motor has less moving parts, hence less energy wasted on each part, so the engine is somewhat relevant to power at the wheels.

@90LAN- i have read what the original topic about. the title is how fast is an rx8, the question was how fast they ran down the quarter mile, the statement was that he beat one, and the answer to the quarter mile time was given early in the thread.

no, i dont have a b16a powered eg6, but bragging about one beating an rx8 one time would be like me bragging about my ed6 keeping up with evos in the hills. until theres a time slip or a printed record, no one really gives a rats ass, even if i can keep up with the odd evo in the hills.

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Originally Posted by SeverAMV

hence i said slightly more relevant, not completely the same.
rotary motor has less moving parts, hence less energy wasted on each part, so the engine is somewhat relevant to power at the wheels.

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That will change the kW at the flywheel figure then. And that in turn increases the kW at the wheels.

You may be right at some point, but i don't really agree with what you have said...if you say straight line, it may be a close one, but from what i know..from track i mean, RX8 can be pretty quick around the corner...actually, much faster than an EG6...

May be you haven't come across one that shattered your fantasy..hehe..

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Originally Posted by 90LAN

mate u always get off the topic for some reason.....
wonder why
funny how u can put your 2 cents in when u dont even own a eg b16
go put a b16 in your car then u will know to then
until then keep on dreaming ....
mate if u lived in brisbane u would know my car as do most ppl in brisbane that are into the honda scene
i dont need to prove time slips or kills or that bullshit
i drive my car to enjoy it even if it means passing a rx8 sometime at full throttle under the speed limit of course
as the majority of ppl on oz honda that have eg with a b16 know that it will beat a rx8
they are just sick of ppl like you who are in denial and cant relise that a civic can beat a rx8

thats why the cant be bother posting up in this thread any more

go race up the hills with your ed civic mate

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Originally Posted by 90LAN

55k + car compared to a 12k car i think that is a good comparsion

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new vs used price comparo isnt really a valid one, especially for 2 essentially very different cars...

really, stop comparing RX8 and EG6 b16a...
if you still wanna compare, go winton and try it out next sunday...or PI next friday...

i love all these pride talk, seriously, stop comparing, if u want to prove a old car is better than a new car and make urself happy about it, fair enough, but i think its stupid comparing modified cars to stock cars regardless of price. You have to understand stock car that are into production meets the road legal requirements in everyway, in terms of safety, emissions, noise, handling, etc etc, and they are not easy to meet. Yet, modified cars don't, which is why most of the aftermarket parts are made for track racing only. But back on to the topic, if you really want to know how fast it is, its really difficult because once again, it depends not only on car, but also driver, ive beaten 13psi 180sx in a straight line but i don't care because i know it's a once off and he probably made a mistake. I love my Hondas but VTEC isnt my world, sometimes i much prefer other technology. Just my 2 cent

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Originally Posted by 90LAN

funny how u can put your 2 cents in when u dont even own a eg b16
go put a b16 in your car then u will know to then
until then keep on dreaming ....

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see, i have that same opinion about your car, how can you say the rx8 is shit if you dont even own one? drive an rx8 and then you'll probably know that its a different car from a civic with a b16a.

the people that posted after you see where im coming from, its a pointless comparison. as far as i know, the only local civic that came with b16a stock started with the eg vtir, and that retailed for 30-33k when it came out, so essentially you're comparing a 33k car + mods to a stocko 55k car.

you cant just overtake an rx8 cruising at the speed limit and say thats enough to prove your car is faster than his. its like me overtaking a ferrari and then saying theyre shit, its a pointless comparison.

mate the rx8 has being said it lacks power and needs a turbo charger to make it a better all round package mate
owners of rx8's are saying this .........
apart from that it is a good all round car
but getting beaten is getting no matter what the situation is
but i would be pissed if i bought a new rx8 and got beaten by a civic
i dont need to drive a rx8 to know what they drive like i already know
it is a comparison between these two cars this is what the tread is about
but u are to thick to relise that

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Originally Posted by SeverAMV

see, i have that same opinion about your car, how can you say the rx8 is shit if you dont even own one? drive an rx8 and then you'll probably know that its a different car from a civic with a b16a.

the people that posted after you see where im coming from, its a pointless comparison. as far as i know, the only local civic that came with b16a stock started with the eg vtir, and that retailed for 30-33k when it came out, so essentially you're comparing a 33k car + mods to a stocko 55k car.

you cant just overtake an rx8 cruising at the speed limit and say thats enough to prove your car is faster than his. its like me overtaking a ferrari and then saying theyre shit, its a pointless comparison.

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Originally Posted by 90LAN

mate the rx8 has being said it lacks power and needs a turbo charger to make it a better all round package mate
owners of rx8's are saying this .........
apart from that it is a good all round car
but getting beaten is getting no matter what the situation is
but i would be pissed if i bought a new rx8 and got beaten by a civic
i dont need to drive a rx8 to know what they drive like i already know
it is a comparison between these two cars this is what the tread is about
but u are to thick to relise that

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thats right, keep avoiding my answer to your original question, i already told you what this thread's original topic was about, and originally it wasnt a comparison between the two cars.

most b16a owners also complain that their cars lack torque and power and also believe that it needs a turbo, or a swap to a bigger block to make power. so why would the rx8 be any worse of a car if most b16a owners feel the same.

if you want to compare, then the rx8 is a better package than the civic overall. better factory interior, better factory audio, better factory power, better factory handling and better factory performance. the only thing the civic wins in is better fuel economy, better bang per buck for an old car, and better handling on tight roads, and a better shopping trolley.

stock rx8 will beat a stock eg6 civic on the track (marginally, but still a win) regardless of whether it lacks power or torque. thats despite the fact that the rx8 has more restrictions in place to keep the power down, and the civic having little or no restrictions.

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Originally Posted by SeverAMV

thats right, keep avoiding my answer to your original question, i already told you what this thread's original topic was about, and originally it wasnt a comparison between the two cars.

most b16a owners also complain that their cars lack torque and power and also believe that it needs a turbo, or a swap to a bigger block to make power. so why would the rx8 be any worse of a car if most b16a owners feel the same.

if you want to compare, then the rx8 is a better package than the civic overall. better factory interior, better factory audio, better factory power, better factory handling and better factory performance. the only thing the civic wins in is better fuel economy, better bang per buck for an old car, and better handling on tight roads, and a better shopping trolley.

stock rx8 will beat a stock eg6 civic on the track (marginally, but still a win) regardless of whether it lacks power or torque. thats despite the fact that the rx8 has more restrictions in place to keep the power down, and the civic having little or no restrictions.

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mate u are dreaming again must be in the clouds when u go hill racing in your ed !!!!!
a stock eg6 is a superior car back when it was released back in 1991 mate
u have the rx8 which was release some years ago so there is at least a 10+ yr difference in techology
even a thick person like u can relised that
so a eg6 would giving it a good run for its money for having techolgy way before its time and still is giving it a good run for its money these days
like i said i dont care what u think u own a shit box ed and u are just going on your book worm exprience mate
i car that can beat or match in performance and cost 4 times less and has a tag of being a shopping trolley beating a so called sports car is pretty good to me
any way like i said been there dont that .........
and keep on dreaming mate ......

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Originally Posted by 90LAN

mate u are dreaming again must be in the clouds when u go hill racing in your ed !!!!!
a stock eg6 is a superior car back when it was released back in 1991 mate
u have the rx8 which was release some years ago so there is at least a 10+ yr difference in techology
even a thick person like u can relised that
so a eg6 would giving it a good run for its money for having techolgy way before its time and still is giving it a good run for its money these days
like i said i dont care what u think u own a shit box ed and u are just going on your book worm exprience mate
i car that can beat or match in performance and cost 4 times less and has a tag of being a shopping trolley beating a so called sports car is pretty good to me
any way like i said been there dont that .........
and keep on dreaming mate ......

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well if you're gonna say that, then what about the old 69 mustang. civic has 20 odd years of newer technology and would still lose to one. now you're a thick one if you didnt see this counter coming. how about you compare a car of similar year that is also a rotary then. can your civic beat an rx7 twin turbo?
i dont mind driving an ED, i just hate drivers who think that because they won the odd illegal street race against an rx8 that their car is top shit.

mate im not going to compare other cars ...
my eg6 over rx8
easy as mate
u just dont get it ......

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Originally Posted by 90LAN

mate im not going to compare other cars ...
my eg6 over rx8
easy as mate
u just dont get it ......

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says the guy who keeps trying to change the topic...

A rx8 is as slow/slower as a wrx, why waste your money? If you want a rotor buy the real deal, rx7 series8.

Stop the unrealistic comparisons. Watch a best motoring DVD of a RX8 vs whatever....to answer this topic -

RX8 = 6.4ish to 100

So compare that to all other vague statistics on the net.

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