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Now the TOVers are ramping up a campaign as well;
http://www.vtec.net/news/news-item?news_item_id=717086
If the States get a decent allocation (which I assume Honda U.S would if it gets off the ground), watch for (more) supply problems from the Japanese factory!
Agreed, the FD2R is the new king of front wheel, but the FN2R looks better :P
Asians don't like to drive hatchback cars..... one of the reasons why malaysia was so into getting the FD2R. haha
No, the reason was because they wanted the true JDM Type R, not a watered down version.Quote:
Originally Posted by match
You obviously havent been to Malaysia then, to have made that comment. I think the yen vs euro and the pound might have alot to do with the fesability aswell.Quote:
Originally Posted by match
End of the day, if you had the choice, what do you reckon??
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Originally Posted by DVS-00R
haha i was just kidding with that comment maybe coz i don't like hatchback cars. BTW i'm malaysian and my friend just got himself a FD2R to be collected at the end of the month. lucky and rich bastard.
If im not mistaken.. Toyota Aurion rear looks very similar.. those ba$tards..
true, especially TRD Aurion, looks fierce and also "fierce" price :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by Hacs
honestly, i'm not consider FN2R as civic type-r (no offense to FN2R owner).Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
FD2R is real Civic type-r, release from original Honda country :thumbsup:
Fair enough, but remember, the JDM EP3R was designed and built in the UK as well. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by dmx
What you mean it's not a real Type R? It's branded Type R, sold as Type R, marketed as Type R, registered as Type R, insured as Type R, hell it even has Type R badges inside and out.
Integras and Civics with fake Type R badges are non type Rs.
What you're referring to is that there are 2 civic type Rs. One is for the european/australian market and the other is for the asian market. Both are Type R's no matter what you think it is.
Your FD1 is what we call a non Type R.
And don't give me that "its not as hardcore or raw" crap.
^sorry not everyone here have to like your car
so dont give us shit , i also think its not really a real 'type R'
i just believe the real type r are dc2r and fd2r since those are the hardcore one.
but stuff like fn2r and euror they more just sport style.
however, i still personally love euroR and it is still my favorite type r even tho people say it's not real r
You don't have to like it but don't criticise it. Hey, at least it's better than what you got.Quote:
Originally Posted by xqwzit
Type R = Type R irrespective of where and when it's made.
DC2R = Type R
DC5R = Type R
EP3R = Type R
FN2R = Type R
FD2R = Type R
They are all variants of a Type R. Saying its not 'real' is an insult to Honda engineers and researchers.
Lets be real here. If the so called "real" Type R came to Australia you or 98.5% of the people here wouldn't buy one anyway. Calling yourselves diehard fans and crying about getting a "watered down version" serves no justice if you're not willing to buy it. Oh, and test driving it doesn't constitute a "fan".
DC2R is an 8 year old car that's worth peanuts in monetary value.
What is your definition of hardcore? The fact that it requires 100+ octane, gets from A to B in fractions of a millisecond quicker than the "sport style" cars? The fact that it lacks air conditioning and a stereo therefore it's a "pure-bred and thunderous racetrack demon"?Quote:
Originally Posted by BusterSonic12
What, also, is people's definition of "real"? Is it the converse of a fake? I just find it rather silly how people create trivial facts out of thin air without supporting and compelling data.
its down to what each driver likes. its great u enjoy the fn2.
i think u need to take critism about cars. after all its ppls opinions, and in the end as long as YOU the owner enjoys it.
have u driven any other type r other then the fn2? just out of curiousity
I don't agree that Chinese dont like to drive hatchbacks.
Its just that Chinese don't like spending more on a hatchback than a sedan. Jazz price for a hatch? Yes. Type R price for a hatch? No.
EuroR in my opinion is the worst type R out there. Its like having an Oddyssey type R or CRV type R.Quote:
Originally Posted by BusterSonic12
I'm chinese (not mainlander chinese) and i drive the FN2R, but i think its true that asians in general don't like to drive hatchesQuote:
Originally Posted by IAMVTEC
Thats why its called the EURO-R and not a typeR, i think the euroR is a great car for what it is, cheaper than base model audis, mercs and bmws with arguably the same amount of comfort with more performanceQuote:
Originally Posted by IAMVTEC
Was wondering as well if the owner of the milano red FN2R is a member here, the one that was beside me at the lights in caufield and I mentioned it was a nice car in a nice color
what i'm said no offense to fn2r owner, just my 2centsQuote:
Originally Posted by FN2TypeR
like merc E200 or S320, it's merc, sold as merc, registeres as merc,and bla bla bla, but for us, it's "shemale" :thumbdwn:
Anything merc is grandpa to me, except the SL series. (nice avatar btw.. *cough*)Quote:
Originally Posted by dmx
The EuroR isn't a Type R. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by IAMVTEC
If these guys don't consider the FN2R a real Type R, I wonder if they consider the DC5R a Type R since it is very watered down compared to the original spec.
You left out the EK9.Quote:
Originally Posted by FN2TypeR
To be fair, people are entitled to their own opinions, although I have to admit the FN2R is getting alot of unwanted bashing.
The FN2 is a type R, but not the track orientated type R japan always brought out. Perhaps this is the reason why people are giving it alot of stick, but as the saying goes, the grass is always greener on the other side. If the FD2R made it here, it might not be the frequently talked about car anymore. People always like things they cannot get.
A car that is 8 years old does not mean it is worth peanuts, it depends on the condition of it and if a genuine DC2R had only 10K on its clock, I am sure it won't sell for peanuts. :)
Anyway, just enjoy your car and that's the most important.
Cheers. :thumbsup:
too bad for those CTRR owners lol there was only 300 made.. it'd lose it value cos everyone will fit in a mugen kit on it
The FN2R is a real Type-R... I've come to that realisation now, and there is no point in arguing the fact.
However, this doesn't change the fact that the car is a POS. IMHO.
just less than a year ago ppl were so excited to get the FN2R.lol
the FN2R is a Type-R nodoubt. if you guys want Honda to develop cars like the DC2R nowadays, it wont sell because of the change in the market, and look at all the rivials who have all the luxury features along with the speed.
A type r with no aircon, reduced sound deadning, loud engine.....would be a joke, 90% of the ppl who buy one are alot older than ppl on this forum so they will expect a more subtle ride, comfortable etc...
As to the FD2R, i hope it makes it here but like someone said if they bring it after the new euro and jazz launch, ppl might lose interest.
my friend you speak the truth!Quote:
Originally Posted by burma
the old type Rs have a strong following indeed. I bet alot of people on here didnt even buy them brand new, when they were released they didnt sell super quick either. Thats why the 2nd hand type R market is so strong.
at least. DMX's FD got DC5 Brembo and Quad pipe ...lolQuote:
Originally Posted by FN2TypeR
d*** u,got new c-class ? said just looking for MPV ?Quote:
Originally Posted by dmx
Why is the DC2R loved by many on this forum and claimed to be the most "realest and hardcore" Type R? Because it's older, cheaper and affordable by most of those young members on OzHonda.
90% of the people here are 18-23 year old uni students or apprentices. Not that there is anything wrong with that as I was once a uni student myself, but I struggle to believe that if we do get the FD2R in Australia most of you would actually purchase it.
18-23 year old full time students and $50,000 - $60,000 for a car just doesn't logically correlate. You would not even have saved a quarter of that working at McDonalds or in telemarketing. Oh, and international students with rich mummy's and daddy's in Hong Kong, Taiwan, China or whatever is an exception - of course mummy and daddy will buy it for you.
I bet in 8 years time the market for an FN2R would be strong and all of a sudden guess what? It's a "real" Type R.
So in return for the criticisms, I believe, in my honest opinion, that both the DC2R and DC5R cars are pieces of shit. Just my four cents worth.
Wrong. It's because when you compare a JDM spec DC2R to an AUDM spec DC2R, it is down only by 6kW and some minor suspension differences. When you look at the DC5R, the AUDM spec loses 17kW, Brembos and even gets smaller wheels.Quote:
Originally Posted by FN2TypeR
I believe the AUDM DC5R get slightly different suspension settings from the JDM as well? (E.g swaybar, spring rate etc)Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
it also got to do to the fact that at the days of DC2R, it was the FF king on the market.
now, becos by sticking to the so called "type R philosophy", FN2R is lacking a bit in the performance sense.
also many ppl believes JDM = best while failing to realise that FN2R is designed for a completely different target market as the FD2R. it is a bit like the GT3 and the GT3 RS. the GT3 is less hardcore so it's not a real GT3 like the RS.......
in this market, a 40k car with only dual airbags and no climate control air, no audio system, super stiff ride and minimal features are hard to sell. just look at what you get from a Golf GTI instead.
In Europe, you can buy a stipped down version of FN2R (it's called Civic Type R Spec S) which weights less than a FD2R by around 40kg. but guess what? no one buys them while most ppl buy the top of the range cars with navi etc. it is just a reality that the market has moved on.
i think if Honda Aus ever brings in the FD2R, they should initially imports a limited batch and see if there is more demand.
just because FN2R is slower than FD2R then it's a POS?Quote:
Originally Posted by ginganggooly
if that's the case all older type r except NSXRs are POS too.
you might as well just say non JDM type R are POS. i think this is what you really mean??!!
I reckon they should bring a few in as showroom or test drive cars and ship ordered cars in as required. That way, Honda Aus' overheads won't be as high.Quote:
Originally Posted by Philip Lee
All i can say is, if only things were so simple...Quote:
Originally Posted by Philip Lee
I drove the nugget on the weekend, and it couldn't pull the skin off a rice pudding. A performance car this thing isn't.
Oh, and the ride isn't as bad as the press reckon. Great.
mmm fair enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by ginganggooly
i drove my fd's stock DC2R a few weeks ago (the 1st time i ever drove a DC2R) and it felt slower than a FN2R but it's more hardcore definitely.
anyone have times for AU DC2R and AU DC5R?
i dunno about cost of ADR and marketing but doing it this way seems like quite a big risk on losing $$. say if they have to pay those fixed costs and ended up selling only a few.Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
if they have a set number in a batch, at least they can priced the car accordingly.
I haven't driven a stock dc2r for a very long time, but i recall it impressing me with the shove (about 4 years ago), and i had a 14.3 sec vti-r at the time. Back to back, it felt to be about the same, or maybe even a tad quicker...Quote:
Originally Posted by Philip Lee
I still don't know of any FN2's at the drag strip, but i'd hazard a guess that they'd run a flat 15 to high 14...
a uk mag EVO ran the FN2 with the competition. i recalled it was pretty much lineballed with manual Golf GTI and i would imagine GTI is faster than DC2R? i'm not sure tho.Quote:
Originally Posted by ginganggooly
Yep, high 14's-low 15's then :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Philip Lee
The FN2R was designed by Honda's UK Division to place Hot Hatch into the market, if they do this... they need a well established name, hence they just slapped on a typeR badge instead of naming it a sporty civic to gain the attention of the Hot Hatch Buyers, most of them grew through the EK9 and DC2R era. Incase you didn't know, Europeans love Hot Hatches (Golf GTi, Astra SRiT, Megane Sport... etc).Quote:
Originally Posted by Philip Lee
But a typeR philosophy is a car that is designed so you can drive off the showroom and straight onto a track, something which the FN2R was not supposed to do, whereas the FD2R is perfectly capable off.
I'm not saying the FN2R is a shit car... it drives a crap load better than a regular FD and is on par with many hot hatches on the market, but it isn't a fully bred typeR like how a typeR is meant to be. Remember, Hot Hatches are supposed to be quick, for zippy around country roads, but not on tracks.
If you asked me honestly, I would think the FN2R is not worthy of the real typeR badge if it was defined under the Japanese way.
Prove it. Don't just say it. Opinions are meaningless if you can't support it.Quote:
Originally Posted by andyhui01
What is the definition of the "japanese way"?
Alright... no opinions everybody. Apparently they are meaningless without a proper analysis of recorded data.
Thats just your opinion!Quote:
Originally Posted by FN2TypeR
IMO FD2R>FN2R>crap
So yeah... FN2R owners don't worry, you have nice cars, we want one yadda yadda yadda.
You guys sit here and spill crap about how the FN2R is crap and FD2R is god almighty. Do you realise that if the FD2R did come to Aus? I honestly think none of you guy here would buy it!
Just accept the fact that the FN2R was made a "Type R" and deal with it. Just because it doesnt fit the criterior of a "Type R" 15 years ago does not make it a piece of shit nor does it make it any less of a Type R. Things change!!
These days the market is dominated by 40k - 50k cars and Honda have to be competitive.
Have any of you guys driven a Type R other than maybe a DC2R?? I bet not.
I however have driven a FD2R whilst I was in malaysia, and dead set, it is not all that you make it out to be. My stock EP3R would give it a run on the streets.
All comparisons are made at the track etc....fair enough. But remember howmany people go to the track for the FD2R to take its advantage??
IMO Honda did not bring the FD2R to Australia due to the fact that people who have 40K + to spend on a car would not buy it. And the dreamers who want to buy it is just that. If I was to buy a track car and had over 40Ks to spend, I'd buy a STI or EVO anyday.
I understand both sides of the argument, but stop crapping on the people who actually have FN2Rs they like it they buy it. Unfortunately for you slackers it is again a "Type R".
We are all enthusiasts of Hondas and share that, not bag each other. We dont go bagging so poor kid about his riced up breeze do we??
Thats my very big 2c worth!!
The R stands for Racing.
so how does FD2R and EP3R compare? would love to know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nepolian
to be honest with you, if FD2r comes here i'd buy one if it's not much more expensive than FN2R. purely because it's 4drs as i have to drive around the kids. FN2 is acceptable as it's spacious but the extra doors would seal the deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nepolian
Have you brought the FN2R to the track?Quote:
Originally Posted by andyhui01
nepolian
dude no one is bagging anyone we're all honda here dude
just someppl will need to take criticism. AS LONG AS U LIKE WOT U GOT THEN THATS GOOD FOR U.
The suspension would probably be too stiff for your kids though...Quote:
Originally Posted by Philip Lee
this is the Japanese philiosphy, which is quite different to that for European unfortunately or fortunately depends on how hard/soft you want your car to be.Quote:
Originally Posted by andyhui01
the Euro EP3R was quite a different car to the JDM EP3R ie. no recaro, no LSD and less power. the FN2R just followed on from the euro spec EP3R.
Stock for stock the FD2R is good. Its suspension is very tight, little bit tighter than the EP3's and the ride is hard. As in uncomfortably hard for everyday. Its just another Type R with a K20, thats it.
Dont get me wrong, I would probably buy one too, but fact to the matter is that Honda bought the FN2R to Aus simply because it was easier to market. It is more appealing overall and end of the day, it all comes down to how many they can sell. Realistically, the guys who have a FN2R now. If given the choice between a FD2R or a GTI or R32, the Honda might just lose a few sales.?
First of all its not in the same category as the FN2R. Obviously Honda wanted to bring in a hot hatch because the 'Hot hatch market is selling well, as you can see with the GTI etc...
Honestly, I cant see how they could have sold more units with the FD2R as they are with the FN2R.
well if Honda Japan has baby seat on its option list then i wouldn't consider that as a problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
The baby seat is a generic option across the range. You'll see the same baby seat as an option in the other Honda cars/vans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Philip Lee
this is true but this is irrelevant why Honda can't do better with the FN2R.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nepolian
as much as i love the FN2r, the biggest "missed feature" is the lack of LSD. as well as the inferior tyres are mostly accounted for the 2sec a lap different on the 5th Gear test.
honda released a special edition Type R child seat to "celebrate" the release of FD2R and limited to 300 pieces.Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
http://www.honda.co.jp/childseat/civictype-r/
BAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHHAHA
that is some funny shiet...now a dad can take his baby to the track for some quality father - son time.
*looking at DMX
kidding by the way..just incase i get flamed
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Originally Posted by Philip Lee
i guess they try to make it like a sensible car so it's easier to convince the missus :pQuote:
Originally Posted by gumbii
am i allowed to put my "baby on board" sign on the track ? :D:DQuote:
Originally Posted by gumbii
I wonder if you can get it here in Aus? I suggested a baby seat for the FN2R to a dealer last weekend and he laughed...at least they have serious options in Japan!Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
err what's wrong with that? i'm planning exactly that.....:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Nighthawk
Putting a baby in a Type R? Do that on Sydney roads and your baby will be brain damaged before he can say his first word.Quote:
Originally Posted by Philip Lee
dont know much about baby seats but dont they need to be put in the middle of the back seats?
i thought fn2r was 4 seater
Quote:
Originally Posted by Philip Lee
That is my point... which is why I don't think the FN2R is a fully bred typeR. I just think the europeans should have started their hot-hatch trend with another name. But obviously that would be stupid considering how popular and well respected the typeR badge already is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Philip Lee
aarong, my point was that if you read the ads or comparisons on the UK magazines (Evo and Top Gear), they review and advertise the typeR as a Hot Hatch, whereas the Japanese advertise the typeR as a track car. Both Hot Hatches and Track Cars are quick, but they are so different and the typeR's are supposed to be cars you can drive straight off the dealers and onto the track (which isn't how the UK has been advertising and marketing the FN2R).
My point is a Honda CRV in the UK is a crossover utility vehicle and despite the different variants, when it is in Australia, Japan, anywhere in the world, it is a crossover utility vehicle. It isn't a Sedan in the UK and a Crossover here is it? So why is it different for the typeR? the TypeR is now a Hot Hatch in Europe and AUS and a Track Car in Japan.
For those guys that say the FN2R would sell better than the FD2R if both were offered, go on the Singapore Honda forums, there is a clear difference in the number of members with FD2R and the number of members with FN2R's.
sorry i don't live in sydney....Quote:
Originally Posted by IAMVTEC
there is no requirement on where u have to put it except:Quote:
Originally Posted by gumbii
- not at front seat if there is an airbag;
- not at positions where there is no direct fixing point.
in practice, many people place the child seat on the left rear seat as it's easier to load and unload from the kerb.
but Type R isn't a model. it's a spec within a model. and different markets have different specs for the same model of car although they may use the same term which is "type r" in this instance.Quote:
Originally Posted by andyhui01
you have to realise Honda is selling the Type R as a ROAD registerable car. and the requirement for different markets are just different.
people in Europe travel long distance like us and they (we) demand comfort (relative) and features that are useful for street driving. while Japan has excellent public transport system and it can be uneconomical to drive a car for long distance due to crazy toll charges they have over there.
also can you imagine a manufacturer selling a 40k car in Australia with dual air bags?? media like Wheels will ask for head of the boss of Honda Aus.
i also wonder how many stars FD2R has for NACP.
again the market in Singapore is different and is unlikely to be the same here.Quote:
Originally Posted by andyhui01
Ahhh, I see. I stand corrected. Imagine the potential of starting the kids from young. :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Philip Lee
There was a FN2R at the track a few weeks ago..Quote:
Originally Posted by ginganggooly
I lined him up him my EG a couple of times...
best he managed was 14.9, i think he just ahd a catbakc exhaust...
From the word go i was infront and pulling away...
Too heavy of a car
Nothing wrong with it. I meant when I was looking through the official CTR accessories brochure I said "can I get a Type-R baby seat as a factory option?".Quote:
Originally Posted by Philip Lee
I was kidding at the time but obviously in Japan there was one released.
That is one big thing driving the demand for the FN2R though, the fact that in AUS you can't get the FD2R. If they were both on sale here from Honda dealers then sure we could compare which sells better locally and which is more popular, even if they were in different price brackets. But Honda Australia seem very reluctant to compete in the sports car market here anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by andyhui01
And that is the bigger picture. They've stopped selling the Prelude, stopped selling the Integra (even as a limited listing of just Type R or Type S), they hardly market the S2000 (and barely seem to sell many anymore), and even the FN2R they are shipping in limited numbers.
So if Honda Australia don't really want to play in the sports car market (because they don't think they can do the quantity and make enough money there), I seriously doubt they will consider bringing the JDM CTR to AUS based on their current philosophy.
it's not Honda Aust's fault for no prelude/integra tho.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nighthawk
also the problem with S2k isn't Australia alone. i don't think they still sell a lot anywhere.
Even if you could score one of the 300 seats, would you trust a non-ADR tested seat? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Nighthawk
I'd rather a Recaro:
http://www.recaro.com/uploads/pics/6142_21086_01.gif
http://www.recaro.com/index.php?id=646®ion=1&L=2
haha same here and this is what i have:Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
http://f21batchimg.auctions.yahoo.co...865281_jr1.jpg
^^ That seat looks like Ultraman! :eek:
i would laugh too! cant get anything like that here in aus!Quote:
Originally Posted by Nighthawk
get roof racks.
Might as well finish off with a Tow Bar as well :PQuote:
Originally Posted by AsH_
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Originally Posted by AsH_
i seen both with civic already, also civic with disabled kit on roof (don't laugh pls, respect disabled ppl !)Quote:
Originally Posted by andyhui01
hi ya'll
I dont wanna spread any rumours but...
i heard from my uncle who's a mechanic that the JDM Civic TypeR (FD2R) is coming to our shores by 2008 mid-year.
Just wanna know if its true, some hear-say or just some false hope.
Peace
~
If this is true, i really dunno what will the current CTR owners feel
Honda dealers still trying to sell the current CTR without much discount and EVOs STIs are getting cheaper and cheaper. It just wouldn't work