no money for it atm... lolz
and might get a project car later down the track anyways...
its too messy to convert this car to manual... good daily..
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no money for it atm... lolz
and might get a project car later down the track anyways...
its too messy to convert this car to manual... good daily..
Yeah,I'll be doing a engine + manual conversion sometime in the future.
yeh ill jus get another car and prefer to keep the sedan as my showy daily driver.. haha
Yeah that's the best way.If U do have to sell one down the track,sell the sedan,put the seats back in the hatch/track car and ya got a sick daily!
yeah like i can feel low - mid range increase although i think my car is due for a tune, so i'll be taking it to toda on the weekend.Quote:
Originally Posted by beeza
last time it was tuned was when the exhaust and vtec controller were installed..
i'll probably go for a higher flowing cat also, so maybe i'll hold off on the tune.
d-series boys!
are all dserie headers interchangable? im getting one from the y1 for my y8.
As far as I know yeah they are :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dy_
Yeah,Fa-Sure!
if you're gonna get an xforce header, dont, its the exact same thing as the $17 ebay 4-2-1 headers i bought, same material (stainless steel), same inside diameter, same quality welds, same note, same power gain.
in fact, most 4-2-1 d series headers are the same. if you're gonna fork out $600 for headers, get a bisimoto 4-1 header, makes more power than a 4-2-1 setup, throughout the entire revrange.
hrmm have you got any results to support that?Quote:
Originally Posted by SeverAMV
i cant really come to understand that headers going for 500$ is exactly like ones that are 17$
i compared my ebay headers right next to xforce headers, exact same in every way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dy_
here's an example of the ebay header http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Heade...spagenameZWDVW and compare it to http://www.xforce.com.au/cars/view_car/19
if you look at most d series headers (even the hytech 4-2-1), they all use the exact same design, and thus, make the exact same power. only real difference is that the xforce ones will probably last a year longer than the ebay ones. heck, for $600, you're better off getting a whole header + 2.5inch stainless steel exhaust from ebay.
think about it for a second, wat are u really playing for? the steel and the labour that takes to make the headers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dy_
now lets talk in terms of power gains, how is a header made by xforce 4-2-1, 2.5 ''diameter or any other brand costing $600+ dollars going to give u any more power gains then an unknown brand header that is identical, 4-2-1 made out of the same type of steel with the same diameter, which typical sus304 or 312? and the same welding which should pretty much all be the same these days, tig welded.
where as if u settle for the headers ServerAMV is talking about, it is designed differently to attain power through the rev range from the way its designed.
yup, bisimoto 4-1 extractors are one of the few that are based on fluid dynamics, and aimed at hitting all the necessary harmonics to maximise power throughout the rev range. bisimoto is one of the few NA d series tuners that are able to hit quarter miles in the ten second range (and he actually uses his products to hit it).
how many other companies that produce d series headers actually race with them? only other one i can think of is skunk2, and if i remember correctly, similar if not exact same design as ebay.
comeonnn... 17 dollar headers..
youre better off putting racing stripes on your car to make it go faster!!!!
my DC sports headers for the D series are a sweet addition to the EG..
I know A LOT of the young guys on d-series.org that have very little money buy these cheap headers all the time of ebay and don't have anything bad to say about them.If they last 2 years it's money well spent but they are lasting a lot longer than that.
some people just can't get around how ebay headers do exactly
the same thing that the 600 dollar headers they paid for
feeling of getting ripped off doesn't feel good.
Yes.So true.These item DO exist.I wouldn't buy ebay coilovers but I would buy a ebay header.
yeh but the header comparison (ebay and $600+) could go for anything, why pay 1200 for BC spec 2 system, when u can go 2 local shop and have it made for $500, or any SS exhaust system for that matter, correct me if im wrong.
my ebay headers on mine cost me $280 delivered for the D16Y8 (these are s/s with very nice/clean welds 4-2-1 design, the only mod that had to be done to them was the additions of a s/s flexi joint before the flange that leads to the s/s cat) and with the 2" exhaust with s/s cat, res, and cannon muffler, it made just under 100hp atw a month or so ago. Just wish I could get them clean again, lol
and how much had it made stock?
fair enough;
end result: ebay headers work!
stock unsure, only dynoed it for a laugh at Predator against my mates 180sx, lol. There is an increase in torque imo, and Im running the stock EJ8 airbox and Honda OEM air filter, with no other mods to gain any kind of horsepower, and just to be even funnier it was with using 10% ethanol gas put in there by mistake and I must admit it isnt too bad altho Honda doesn't suggest it
75kw.Very Nice Ryan!
sif 25kw gain...
NaQuote:
Originally Posted by kazam
Stock D16 SOHC VTec should get about 70kw ATW
Try 5kw gain
yeh but he got 100kw
No he got 100hpQuote:
Originally Posted by kazam
0.75 of a kw
zzzzzzzzzzz my mistake >.<
71.6kW :D :honda:
Well that's about what you should get stockQuote:
Originally Posted by EK1.6LCIV
not bad for a D series, i saw the crx boys who are normally together at autosalon back in 06. dynod their b16 at 85kw atw, 71kw isnt too far off and pretty decent for y4?. im guessing the delsol guys were aiming for show. nevertheless they did have the basic mods, intake, exhaust, headers and maybe a few other things wen i had a short glance.
Quote:
Originally Posted by tekung89
serious? i got 96kw atfw with only intake and apexi exhaust :\ i'm sure if they had headers it would put out a bit more power
Ryan's is the Y8.Dave (TurtleEK1) got exactly the same a while back when he had his Y4 with I/H/E and FPR.71.6kw :)
On the same day I got 64.9kw in my Automatic Y4 with just Intake and exhaust.
I will be getting mine tuned with greedy emanage soon.My car now has I/H/E,FPR and MSD Ignition System.I'm really lookig forward to seeing how the tune is done and seeing what results can be had.
at the fly wheel is different mate from at the treads.Quote:
Originally Posted by diffuzn
lol i was gonna say...
im pulling over 80kw atw with headers and exhaust...
any recommendations for a good cai???
Fuk thats dam good for a D16Y1Quote:
Originally Posted by B147ch
Got the dyno sheet?
... i know with greddy turbo it .. labour and tuning ....
$3000 is not enough , right ??? coz turbo kit cost 2000$ already...
and i dont think i can found some one install that and tune it for me for$1000
in brisbane >.< ....
Man that's weirdQuote:
Originally Posted by yuentinlon
$1000 should be heaps for just the install...
Now I know what's needed I could do it myself lol
keep saving. your nearly half way to a greddy kit from U.S! 2k!! im nearly there but clubbing and casino dont help out i found
dont just save up for the kit and install
save for a clutch, ebc, intercooler...etc... and any problems that may occur along the way
Well yeah clubbing and casino won't help :pQuote:
Originally Posted by paps02
casino might.....
dunno if you boys have seen this, you probably have, but i just saw it today
d15b with ITBs. Interesting setup, seems like it goes ok!
Maybe offtopic, but this is the D series thread....
youtube link
Yeah I've seen it before but it sure sounds nice :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Alexx
Yeah bro i'll scan the last dyno i did on it and post it for ya.. hehQuote:
Originally Posted by Lukezen27
Or just take a pic and post that.
hhmm interesting stuff in this... i am still trying to figure out if my money is better spent on a b18c or a Greddy turbo kit..
All depends if you'll want more power after the upgrade or notQuote:
Originally Posted by hondavti25
oooh something about a b18cR in an EG gives me the tingles!!
B147ch it says on ur profile dat u have a EG5, isnt that the SI model with the DOHC D series? coz 80kw is heaps good for a NA sohc, but sounds acheiveable on a DOHC Dseries. good work tho =]
nope.. i've got the sohc vtec.. there really isnt THAT much difference between the two..Quote:
Originally Posted by tekung89
its achievable, just small mod's here and there.. H/E/I, apexi vtec controller, bigger leads.. it was last tuned when the exhaust and vtec controller was fitted, so i think i'd best get my butt to TODA.. eheh
What bigger leads are U using? I'm looking to change mine.I'm running the MSD ignition system too.
Im using the NGK leads... RC-HE73.. TOPS!
I think i got them for around 70 bucks per lead?
well spent.
also try the splitfire triple platinum sparkies.. you'll be suprised!
Thanks mate.I will definately try the plugs.I had been thinking about it but thought it's probably overkill but I believe ya!
Where did U source the leads from?
Call up an autopro and they can order them in!
same with the plugs..
LOL i had an awesome run with an EK si the other night.. they move.. but i move quicker! LOL
Here's the link for the NGK ignition leads part finder:
http://www.ngkspark.com.au/part_inde...nder/leads.php
whats a EK si?Quote:
Originally Posted by B147ch
YeahQuote:
Originally Posted by [ricer]
Never new there was such a thing :p
there isnt.
i think he means the USDM equivalent Si Coupe, which is basically like the EK 99-00 VTi-R coupe here?
they come with the b16 from the ek4 i believe.
Thanks mate.Quote:
Originally Posted by B147ch
Are your leads blue? I couldn't use that site,there wasn't a listing for my car :/ 96 EK1 d16y4
Just checking out the NGK parts finder,what model do you look under to find the D16Y8? Buggered if I can find it!!
LOL yeah like i said.. it had guts so it could have been a Vti-R.. too dark to see if there was a sunroof, and was too busy flooring it!! :pQuote:
Originally Posted by dahon
Here's my lasy dyno done last year after exhaust and vtec controller were installed. - only got a K&N panel filter in stock box. meh.
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u...h/Image013.jpg
it says on my shell its an EG5 built date july 94 so yerr..Quote:
Originally Posted by tekung89
pretty sure its a sohc vtec lol
guys EG5 is
91-93 Si (DOHC non vtec d16a8)
93-95 vti (SOHC vtec d16y8/y1)
i thought 95 was EG6???Quote:
Originally Posted by bennjamin
no no no no no noQuote:
Originally Posted by B147ch
THINK for a second.
Different countries have different cars . right ? The EG6 was NEVER released here in Australia. Only Japan , malaysia and some others....
The EG6 is from 92-95. came with the b16a2.
In AUSTRALIA , the EG5 is Si or vti.
The EG4 is a gli , EG3 is a breeze , EG2 is a crx del sol etc. All these titles are different in other countries :thumbsup:
meh.. whatev's..
so much confusion when ordering parts from overseas especially when matching with USDM civics..
HMMMM...Quote:
Originally Posted by beeza
best calling up and just giving them your engine number etc. they'll probably recommend top gun leads but for an extra 20 bucks just go the NGK cos they got a rep.
Lukezen's got the NGK's as well yeah???
Cool.Cheers mate!
s'all good..Quote:
Originally Posted by beeza
see my old dyno? :P
need to see what its pulling now since i've slapped the headers on lol
It a pretty simple formula. Out Y1 is eqiv to a Z6. Y7 = Y4, Y8 = Y8. All the DOHCs are the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by B147ch
D's dont make 80kw without internal/cam change. All these mods ive seen dsicussed here;
headers
exhaust
intakes
leads
All they do is add bling and noise. You need an ECU to take advanatge of any of thee mods. Then the aim of the gain is to increase timing, lean it out a bit and tune it for 98+ron. But you arnt even going to make that much more power...
D-series NA is really really hard to do cheap on a budget without technical skills. First thing i would be doing is camshaft (zex 59300), ecu and cutting the bottom out of the airbox/SRI. With these mods, u will prolly pickup 10-15kw and the car will still sound/look stock. Maybe add a catback exhaust (2.25), but its going to add more noise then power.
From the discussion above re header types, its clearly evident that the OEM cast manifolds are basically as good as you will get.
Yup NGK's :)Quote:
Originally Posted by B147ch
just the person i'd like to talk to...Quote:
Originally Posted by Weq
that's my dyno up there, and i've got a before and after mod dyno sheet.. 109HP atw isnt possible without cam change?
the before dynoe'd in at 96HP atw..
either there was some cam work before i purchased my car or i'm just fukken dumb (dont quote plz!)
anywhoo.. do you think the whale penis is worth looking into??
Cos like i said i have the stock airbox and pipe - just replaced with K&N panel filter..
Also what ECU is worth looking into to take advantage of these mods??
Yeah man,do U know why the wonky line? Just curious as to why it's like that...Quote:
Originally Posted by B147ch
LOL it was snapped on my phone camera..Quote:
Originally Posted by beeza
i can show u my plates on my car to match the dyno if you are that concerned!! :P
Nah man,I don't mean like that...I just meant it's not a smooth curve as such.I'm just learning how to read Dyno graphs so I was just wondering how you can make the line smooth. i.e.looks like the car needs something to get that curve smoother.
hmmm...Quote:
Originally Posted by beeza
What do u reckon it needs??
ideas are welcome!! :D
haha,dunno! anyone got any ideas?
Screw zex camshafts, i read up on d series.org that its shithouse!
theyre all recommending the Crower camshafts. they have a nice range from stock to full race.
http://www.crower.com/misc/m_cat.shtml (turn to page 104)
for all you d16y1 boys, here's a product that should make you jizz in ya pants!
your curve seems rather lumpy...Quote:
Originally Posted by B147ch
could be a lot of things. easy things to check would be ignition (leads, plugs, timing), fuel system (any blockages - partial or full - messing with the fuel flow?), and last thing would be the ecu tune. seems like it could be feeding in diff levels of fuel at diff intervals.
crower cams are good, but if you're only looking for a regrind, send your cam over to bisimoto for a level 2.2 regrind (best duration and lift you can get from a regrind, especially if you cant afford a hard weld)