:eek:. Haven't had much time to muck around with it yet but first impressions are that build quality has improved! I'll post some more comparative shots of it against the CL9.
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:eek:. Haven't had much time to muck around with it yet but first impressions are that build quality has improved! I'll post some more comparative shots of it against the CL9.
Looks noice.. will wait for your review.
Been driving around Sydney and I still haven't seen one on the road yet. :(
Ditto here in BrizVegas
Me neither.Only at Honda dealer.Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
No. The strut supports are well intergrated into the strengthened shell structure. It is plenty stiff enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by Euro08Jaz
I am wondering how much better this car would be with beefed up sway bars?
I've only seen mine in Perth!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
Im up here this weekend, and getting heaps of looks! :cool:
i saw 3 in one day once. One parked at Haymarket (black one), white on Ps and silver one.
that was the only day i saw them.
What is the current sway bar diameter?Quote:
Originally Posted by Type R Positive
Saw a Volcano STD on the road last night on the way home from the footy.....Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
I am picking up my LUX 5AT in Milano Red on Monday night, can't wait :D
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Originally Posted by aaronng
Local dealer confirmed that not one has been sold in Darwin yet. Apparently, prospective customers are being shocked with the low amount that they're being offered for their old CL9's so much so that sales just haven't been happening. Apparently, some have switched their attention to the Accord which has a fatter margin for the dealer to play with.Quote:
Originally Posted by tony1234
CU2 still not on sale in Japan.
Probably because production capacity is allocated to the US, UK and Australia first to avoid the fiasco that happened with the Civic.Quote:
Originally Posted by SPQR
Or, Japan is secretly developing more powerful engines and higher specs for their version of the CU2. :p
Actually, I was going to add some conspiracy theory about them sorting out the bugs on the Euro; using the rest of the world as guinea pigs before selling a "perfect" bug-free version in Japan.Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
Why should I hold to such a theory? When QANTAS was a great airline (that remembered that the NT stood for Northern Territory), there was a flight that originated in Osaka (Japan), stopped in Darwin and terminated in Perth. I boarded such a flight once on my way to Perth. I noticed that the Japanese on board were served a meal first. As it turned out, many of them did not like what they saw. Qantas staff quickly took back the meals and then, after a brief period, distributed new meals to the Japanese passengers. Not long after, us Aussies got our meals; the hot portion of which exhibited signs of having had its foil cover tampered with.
Is it possible Honda Japan is ironing out the Euro bugs elsewhere first? Yes it is.
Did I eat the meal? Well, I was hungry (lol).
Don't know. I might have to get out the calipers.Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
I think a bit more turn in would be perfect. The grip is already sensational.
You have mistaken Honda with Holden. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by SPQR
i have a feeling japan won't have the CU. they will have their own version. a bit like the FD/FN civic.
Disagree. The reason why there is an FD and FN civic is because the FD is designed in Japan and built around the world. The FN is designed and built in the UK because of the UK demand for a medium hatch. If the current CU2 is built in Japan, then the JDM Accord will be the same chassis.Quote:
Originally Posted by Philip Lee
Yes well I would sort of agree with that.. have started the buying process and the start point was lower than last time .. still bargaining.. still waiting lolQuote:
Originally Posted by SPQR
Low trade in for CL9? That is the reality of it.
CL9 is worth a whole heap less now that CU2 is out. This should be noted when buying a runout CL9!
I had the same experience when trading a 2007 Corolla. It wasn't the latest model, so got less for it.
i've only seen 2 of these sarkers around cabra area and am abit shocked it not being bought up like what i've seen with the accord.
fark i wish it weighed 1200kg.
We all do mate, we all do....Quote:
Originally Posted by MKI4EVA
Mazda has the right idea focusing on weight savings. I sincerely hope other manufacturers take note! :thumbsup:
we might have to test out the 6 to see what the rave is about.......it'll take alot to swing us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Type R Positive
Nah, still way down on power.Quote:
Originally Posted by MKI4EVA
I would rather an Aurion. Toyota make damn fine cars.
Saw a Volcano Grey Lux.today at Rosehill.My 1st.sighting of the CU2 on the road.
Drove a mazda6 last week, weight wise don't think it helped the car at all.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Type R Positive
Front lifts when you accelerate from stop position even the slightest acceleration (badly) *weight
You can hear the motor rev it's **** off. *weight (higher compression) but due to reduced weight you can really hear it.....worst motor noise i've on a new car.
Total car feels light especially on a windy day you can feel the wind throw you around.
Not a good car if you are a driver.....Honda euro more of a drivers car, much more realistic and refined driving
Only good thing going for them is the quality of the dash, thats all......
They claim 8.5-8.8lt/100klm but i bet you air con on and full load on a hot summer day that figure would jump dramatically more like 12lt-14lt +/100klm, not a very efficient motor running 2.5ltr with 4 cylinders no matter if they reduced the weight.
A 2.5ltr 4 cylinder with turbo or 2.5ltr Five cylinder would of been a better choice especially with low compression and a turbo, much more efficient giving you a more realistic figure of 10.5-11ltr/100klm, no matter how much weight was on the car or if air con all day, even in the most extreme heat........seems like mazda relying on fuel efficiency to sell their mazda6 bad move if you ask me...weight very important to a car it's all about the gravity and weight distribution.
i also got a phone call today "Mazda announced a dramatic price cut on the Mazda6 as of today". They really arn't selling any at all.
True Aurion hands down over a mazda6....Quote:
Originally Posted by Type R Positive
Sounds like the springs and/or damper are too soft. Similar problem to the old 2003 Corollas.Quote:
Originally Posted by LXRY
As for the motor noise, I had the same opinion even for the 1st gen Mazda6. The sound of the engine revving just makes me cringe and I back off, fearing that I will hurt the engine by revving it too much. Total opposite of the Euro where when you rev it, it sounds like it is asking you to rev it harder and harder.
[QUOTE=aaronng;1817240]Sounds like the springs and/or damper are too soft. Similar problem to the old 2003 Corollas.
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My parents had a corolla and I always thought that it was the 1.8ltr just too much grunt for the size of the car, boy was it punchy, so much that mum didn't like driving it cause so punchy, touchy.....take off was amazing launched like a rocket from take off...very similar feeling to the mazda6 but I felt as if it was due to weight not so much springs/dampeners I could be wrong. Another reason I say it's weight is that I took it through a thourogh testing....under heavy braking springs/dampeners where quiet good, whole car should of dipped/lowered at the front but didn't.
And you are spot on about the motor reving to the stage that I too thought better take it easy cause sounds as if it would throw a rod or piston or something, lol.
LOL! My '07 ZE122R (last gen) Corolla sedan had 4x4 suspension!Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
That thing was nasty! Definately needed suspension work. But, it was a great car. I got it over a Civic. Civic was shite.
I took a new Corolla loan car for the day last month, when I got service done on the Prado. Man, the new ones suck ass big time. The Corolla hatch is just a slightly bigger Yaris. The center console is absolutely ghastly with a big hole through the middle. Not to mention that it gained 300kgs, and the price is now $21k for base model. The old model just needed that 6th gear. ~4k rpms at 110km/h didn't seem right.
3 thumbs down. :thumbdwn::thumbdwn::thumbdwn:
[quote=LXRY;1817300]Definately bad suspension. It was 4x4 spec it was that high. It used to float all over the place, and was just plain dangerous is some cases.Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
Engine was a ripper for sure! ;)
I can see turbo's becoming more and more common actually.Quote:
Originally Posted by LXRY
On a side note, my CU2 is averaging around 9L/100kms. I don't even notice the aircon on or off. This engine is so sweet, you can't help it but plant it to listen to it singing.
Fuel efficiency seems to be the 'in' thing at the moment. All the manufacturers are doing it now.Quote:
Originally Posted by LXRY
That's what I love about the CU2. The car is soooo stable. It is amazing the work Honda did, and the results they got. Pity that it gained a bit of pork, but it doesn't make a difference to the car's performance.Quote:
Originally Posted by LXRY
The mazda' MZR engine is 2.5 litres - but has a low compression : 9:7:1 - which is just like the Mazda 3 Sp23' engine... that could explain why it needs to work really hard.. as for the 8.8 litre fuel consumption claim - depends on the car is driven.
the Mazda 6 is not convincing anyway...
Jeee...I thought it was high compression, you are right it's 9:7, well it's working it's ass off anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by IVTECS4
You wouldn't. I had one before the Honda and lets just say there is a LOT of quality issues with these cars including dash pad, centre console and door trims. The drivetrain (and power) was fantastic!Quote:
Originally Posted by Type R Positive
I bought the Aurion brand new and it spent 25 days over 10 months getting warranty work done to it and i am not alone.
The above shows when development budgets are constrained.. Strangley the dash pad issue is apparant in the Lexus as well!
Damn X man, sounds like you got 'saturday special' car. This suprises me, because if you have a look at how toyota work and their global business with quality control.....
I've never had any issues what so ever with my Toyota's.
Come to think of it, my Honda's have been sweet also!!!
The manual refers to the speed alarm but it's not in the menus of my 2008 CL9 Nav Sat model. There are just 4 settings that can be changed. Speaking of which i can't find any speed alert settings in the GPS (Sat Nav) either. Anyone know?Quote:
Originally Posted by unity
Yep, i have had a very bad run with a string of new cars and it seems the Honda is no different. 300kms on the clock and it goes back tommorow, i just keep finding things. Wouldn't be so bad if the dealers didn't "boast" how well built Honda's are as my car is proof that they are no different to Ford or Holden.Quote:
Originally Posted by Type R Positive
In the case of the Aurion, after making an incredible amount of noise Toyota did the right thing and ended my 10 month misery but details on what they offered is confidential. I was extremely happy with the outcome.
I have the 2006 CL9 Sat Nav model and there are no speed alarms, in fact none in any of the CL9 Oz models, as has been discussed before.Quote:
Originally Posted by The X Man
Apparently the new CU2 (Sat Nav model only) does seem to have a speed alarm according to some of the new owners but havent heard anything more than that nor how many setting sor how it works.
This is the work of a brain dead moron at Honda that makes no mention in the Vehicle Handbook that the Speed Alert is an option. It freely discusses this feature and makes no mention as to if this feature is country specific. Bloody morons.Quote:
Originally Posted by VTECJimStar
I will have a play around with mine tomorrow and see if CU2 has speed alarm, if the missus doesn't drive it to work. Haven't heard of sat nav only...Quote:
Originally Posted by VTECJimStar
CU2 does have a speed alarm, only just had mine delivered today but a very trusty reliable source informs me it's there,it is set up through the trip computer. I will get more details. :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Type R Positive
don't worry, I have a manual!
lol no it seems like some sort of Russian roulette that Honda Australia plays. They seem to skimp on seemingly inexpensive things and often it doesnt make any sense at all, as per my pet topic of the missing integrated bluetooth. And some things are a big surprise as possibly the speed alarm is.. like we wont even mention we put that in...!!Quote:
Originally Posted by The X Man
Some boffin sits at Honda Australia with a big fuzzy dice and plays " Lets Build an Import Version"....what stays in and what is taken out of the OZ version of the car..
I think the beginning of the manual states that not all features are available in the model of your region.Quote:
Originally Posted by The X Man
all CU2 euros have speed alarms MAN OR AUTO, when u pick it up from the dealer ask him how to set it, alot of dealers dont know how to still , they just havnt been shown.
CL9s DONT have speed alarms
Had another look at the Cu2 this morning whilst my euro was in for a service.
cant help but want one :)
If she had 170kw we'd be in a solid relationship, got the feeling the power feel a bit down
I really need to have a test drive though :)
how do u have the feeling the power a bit down and u havnt driven the euro?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pumped
interesting....
Yeah, same old story just like the Yanks... :pQuote:
Originally Posted by UNLS1
I wish the car manufacturers would make speed alert a standard feature. My 1996 EFII Ford Fairmont had it, and it was a great feature. I sure miss it.
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Originally Posted by UNLS1
Power-weight-physics-common sense
they ad up
And what, extra torque and shorter gearing dont? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Pumped
Well that is great. Strange they dont advertise the fact in the specifications.Quote:
Originally Posted by UNLS1
Thanks UNLS. If my local dealers would only be mroe helpful doing a deal I would luv to buy one. lol
during the hand over your dealer should show u but i can understand why some dealers dont as they have no clue.Quote:
Originally Posted by VTECJimStar
I had to have Ipod and speed alarm lessons for all the old blokes at work hahaha
LOLOLOLOL u should get a job on topgear with thinking like that, what a brilliant way to make an opinion without driving :|Quote:
Originally Posted by Pumped
Hmm yes when I had the test drive the other week the salesman asked ME if I knew if you could play DVD's on the Sat Nav screen.. I advised him it isnt a current feature lol..:oQuote:
Originally Posted by UNLS1
lol, i guess for some its just a job to pay bills, it is and i can see why some dont have heaps of know how about lil things, i guess some of us know more coz we love the industry and what we sell!Quote:
Originally Posted by VTECJimStar
also we are car enthusiasts too!
If only every on could buy their CU2 from you UNLS1!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by UNLS1
Thanks for the ripper service. Ill drop in for a coffee when it's first service time :cool:
Well, now my car is now 10,000kms old.
I got no problems with it, and it is still quiet as. No squeaks or groans, nothing.
Fuel usage is definately a damn lot better than my old CL9. I seem to be getting about 6 - 7L / 100km on the highway, and around 10 around town. It is hard for me to judge the around town though, as most of the driving is highway.
One thing I absolutely love is the accuracy of the cruise control. it really sticks to the speed you set it at, and doesn't deviate from it.
The motor is freeing up nicely, plenty of power on tap. I'm still amazed that this is only a 4 cylinder. It goes better than the Falcon 6 cyl work car that I drive home very often. And that Falcon gets a flogging.....
I can't for the life of me replicate the pinging problem that the auto CU2's supposedly have. I always use BP ultimate 98, and I gave my car a good break in.
I think the only thing I don't like about my base 6MT is the front door trims seem to mark up easy. I believe it gets a lot of foot marks from getting out of the car. The interior is definately harder wearing than my old CL9. That is what Honda set out to achieve with this new fabric, and that's what I got. The interior is still brand new. The front seats are still brand new. No marks, creases, nothing.
Everything's fine, still a proud Honda owner! :cool:
You type well and you r positive about your car. I hope your good experience is more typical than are otherwise posted in these forums as I too aspire to possess a CU2 some time soon.
I picked up my new CU2 Auto last Friday (base model in White) & although i have only done 300km so far I must agree with everything Type R Positive has said in his review of the CU2. I have no sign of the so called pinging issue everyone is talking about. So far i am extremely happy with the car & i think it would be hard to find a better car for the price. As time passes it will be interesting to see how accurate the trip computer is as i am finding it hard to believe my fuel usage considering it has seen the high side of 6000RPM several times already. Does a 7.5l/100km average sound right on a new engine?
It will be interesting to do some maths when i fill up.
^^ 7.5 L/100km seems very very low. I think you need to check the accuracy of the trip computer.
The trip computers are notoriously optimistic. Best fuel test is to fill the tank, do lots of km's until the same tank-full is near empty then refill the tank. Note number of km's travelled and litres used. Divide the litres by the distance travelled and then multiply by 100. This gives you litres per 100 km's. If you are old school and need to know miles per gallon then divided the constant 282.2 by the litres per 100 km value previously calculated and this will give you miles per gallon.
I wouldn't be visiting the 6,000 rpm region on a new engine.
Providing engine oil and gearbox oil are up to operation temp (about 20km of driving) it does not hurt the engine at all, in fact it is the recommended procedure for running in an engine.Quote:
Originally Posted by SPQR
I did say i was doubtful about the trip computer and i will do a manual calculation when i fill up. (i do think i know how to do it accurately....lol)
Just order a manual base model manual.. coming on the 30th cant wait! can anyone recommend good tinting service in brissy? (northside)
Enjoy your ride. Just make sure whoever does the tinting removes the rear parcel shelf.Quote:
Originally Posted by arthhtra
I agree with Type R Positive.
Took delivery of a manual CU2 standard in August. "Traded down" from a Lexus IS250, which was my first attempt at buying a $50k+ car, and was very disappointing, relative to price paid. Creaky dash (search the Lexus forums), otherwise eerily quiet except for intrusive tyre noise on coarse bitumen, blind spots thanks to "swoopy" looks, lots of technology that didn't work as well as in the Euro (e.g., the cruise contorl was nowhere as precise as in the Euro). I'm really glad I went for the manual in the Euro, as I now look forward to driving the car every day. No pinging, better ride-handling balance than the Lexus, and tyre noise OK on the Yokohamas. (Wasn't sure about the Bridgestones, so asked the dealer to swap them over.) Only rattle was a minor noise from a clip on the inside of the front window seals, which I think the dealer removed. Now all it needs is an occasional wipe of silicon spray on the door seals to stop the odd "ticking" noise. Stereo is as good as in the IS250, and a towbar doesn't cost $1500 for the Euro. The luxury model would be better equipped than the IS250, if you want the extra luxuries (and don't mind the fake wood-grain around the gear shift :). No comparison between the cars in value terms.
I learnt a while ago not to have the rear window tinted. I just have the sides done. No rear tint gives better view out at night; especially spotting police cars. It also means that if anything goes wrong with the tinting, you don't end up with damaged heater/radio antenna wires.Quote:
Originally Posted by buddah51au
Leonr64, you mention pinging or rather, lackthereof. Was that in the IS250? I have the IS250 on my shopping list for 2010 purchase at the moment. What else didnt you like about it?
Why? They are already broken in from factory.Quote:
Originally Posted by SPQR
The harder you treat them, the better they reward you.
Your right on the money again Type R, I have rebuilt several hundred engines in my time, so i understand a little about their internal workings. The most important thing on any engine, new or old is to make sure the engine & gearbox oil is up to operating temp which is about 20km of normal driving. After that drive them as hard as you like, just don't go bouncing off the rev limiter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Type R Positive
You may do as you wish. What I said was "I wouldn't be visiting the 6,000 rpm region on a new engine." Well, at least not for extended periods until the first oil change.Quote:
Originally Posted by Type R Positive
Yesterday at the lights there was a new falcon, CU2 and CL9 at the front of me and I notice that while the Cu2 lights looks good, both the falcon and the roundish CL9 looks heaps better.... It kinda stunts me that I did not notice this before.
The CU2 looks out of shape with the square light near the number plates.
It is a little hard to do it for extended periods considering speed limits and the number of Kodack"s these days. As for extended periods, in my case 4 times in 500km. Type R.....step in here pls....485km.....not quite 1/2 tank of fuel... trip computer telling me 7.5.....DOES THIS SOUND RIGHT?......will be very interesting to get some hard figures when I fill up.Quote:
Originally Posted by SPQR
Curiosity finally got the better of me today as I couldn't believe what I was seeing......
Trip Computer was reading 7.4L/100k average and the gauge was showing fractionally under 1/2 a tank after 540 kms. Both readings turned out to be very optomistic.
In reality the result was 540 kms - 44.34 liters = 8.21L.100k. More than an acceptable figure on a new engine & far better than i expected.
In stating the above I cant be sure how full the tank was when I took delivery of the car, so I have started a spreadsheet and i will post my findings after 5,000 km when a more accurate fuel consumption average can be obtained.
On our CU2 it was about 10.2L/100k from memory. Mostly city driving. Havent done calculations yet, but would be interesting to see how precise the computer is.
8.21 L/100km is excellent for an Auto! It seems you should at least have the accuracy of the fuel gauge checked by your Honda dealer. There might even be a procedure in the owners manual for calibrating the trip computer. I'm not sure on that but I remember reading it in one of the Honda manuals.Quote:
Originally Posted by buddah51au
I would have expected 7.x for the auto for freeway driving.
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Originally Posted by aaronng
Nearest freeway to me is several hundred km, 75% rural back roads, 25% lite town driving is a more accurate description. As I said, I am not sure how full the tank was when i picked the car up, and I prefer to check consumption over several tanks of fuel to get a more accurate reading.
Yeah, sounds right. I been getting about 900km per tank. I think I could stretch it to 1000kms if I drove normally.Quote:
Originally Posted by buddah51au
Extremely pleased about fuel consumption, or lack there of.
You already know how the car goes, I couldn't believe it at first also. :)