Civic Type R $39,990 + On Roads

the only positive to come out of this is it'll get more softy's into the HONDA badge so one day they'll release some'n decent.



naaaaaaaaaaaaaaart!

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Originally Posted by ginganggooly

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heh... oh dear

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Nice to point out the fact

I wonder if the times around the track would be worst in the new CTR as its got VSA and not LSD... positve side is that you proabably wont loose it as easily. Much more safer

so....it's almost coming to 1 month since the CTR has been on sale.
have they made the target of 100 sales nationally?

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Originally Posted by BlitZ

I wonder if the times around the track would be worst in the new CTR as its got VSA and not LSD... positve side is that you proabably wont loose it as easily. Much more safer

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Interesting thing about VSA... it's easy to confuse it on wet, off-camber bends. I've had it throw it's hands up in the air in the Euro...
The issue is that when it does break loose, and gets confused, it doesn't allow you to get back on the throttle to correct the situation, so you end up losing control completely. nice hey :)
I drive around with it switched off most of the time now...

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Originally Posted by Tofu

so....it's almost coming to 1 month since the CTR has been on sale.
have they made the target of 100 sales nationally?

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we will see the figure soon on Honda sales records on Honda web site at the beginning on Aug. First month could be promising for Honda ...
I would be interested to wait and see figure for the 2nd month

i know its out sold the type s integras sales for like a whole year in 06 lol, that wouldnt be hard though.

but with most dealers only getting 3 a month i think they would of got 100 easy, i know some dealers have a 2-4 month wait on some now.

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Originally Posted by yfin

Golf feels much brisker off the mark than the Type R and punchier everywhere else. GTI has seamless, useable urge when squeezing part-throttle, pulls cleanly in any gear and absolutely kills the Type R for in-gear rolling acceleration and response.

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Originally Posted by fasthonda

Wow, they make the Golf GTI sound like a power machine!The Megane RS,Astra VXR,Focus XR5,have a faster in gear acceleration and are quicker over the 1/4 mile than the GTI.I mean ,really 15.3sec for the 1/4 mile by the GTI (as quoted by some reviews)is rather pedestrian for a turbo charged car.If someone checks out the EVO Mag.issue where they test the Civic Type R practically every in-gear acceleration of the GTI is slower than all the other competitors bar the Type R.
If the JDM CTR was available,that too would lose the comparison for the same reason or something like "Ouch the ride is very firm".

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most everyday driving is low rpm around town and suburbs, not at 10/10ths on a track. low down torque (which is something a well set up turbo engine has a lot of) makes the car feel punchier because of the instant push. we dont all live our lives next to a stopwatch.. how many owners of these cars will ever do a 1/4 mile run or take it to the track? the purpose of a street-oriented hot hatch is to feel quick around town to give that lil extra thrill.

now from what ive seen of the new type r, it is not a track car. if Honda want to cater to a hot hatch market this is what they have to deal with because its what a lot of potential buyers will base their decision on.

i know this is a Honda forum but it seems that people are dissing a review in which the CTR doesn't win but pointing out the reviews that praise it.. fair enough.. i know especially for the new owners its easy to get on the defensive but welcome to new car ownership.. some people hate ur car other love it..

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Originally Posted by BlitZ

I wonder if the times around the track would be worst in the new CTR as its got VSA and not LSD... positve side is that you proabably wont loose it as easily. Much more safer

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the VSA system will never outperform an LSD on a track. this is because the VSA system utilises the brakes to stabilise and link/synch the wheels together. LSDs dont need the brakes to do this, and thus are more stable and faster under acceleration out of a corner, or so the theory goes.

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Originally Posted by xenfacta

most everyday driving is low rpm around town and suburbs, not at 10/10ths on a track. low down torque (which is something a well set up turbo engine has a lot of) makes the car feel punchier because of the instant push. we dont all live our lives next to a stopwatch.. how many owners of these cars will ever do a 1/4 mile run or take it to the track? the purpose of a street-oriented hot hatch is to feel quick around town to give that lil extra thrill.

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just because a car feels fast, doesnt necessarily mean its fast. just because a car is fast, doesnt necessarily mean its fast. know what i mean?

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Originally Posted by SeverAMV

the VSA system will never outperform an LSD on a track. this is because the VSA system utilises the brakes to stabilise and link/synch the wheels together. LSDs dont need the brakes to do this, and thus are more stable and faster under acceleration out of a corner, or so the theory goes.

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Not really. The reason why LSD is better is because the LSD prevents wheelspin. VSA on the other hand recovers from wheelspin. So VSA will always be slower because wheelspin has to start first before VSA gets to work. That's why LSD is faster. :)

mechanical LSD FTW. None of this electronic aids to prevent you getting into or helping out of trouble....a LSD is made to drive in and out in the first place :)
Electronic aids = fool proof

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Originally Posted by fasthonda

Wow, they make the Golf GTI sound like a power machine!The Megane RS,Astra VXR,Focus XR5,have a faster in gear acceleration and are quicker over the 1/4 mile than the GTI.I mean ,really 15.3sec for the 1/4 mile by the GTI (as quoted by some reviews)is rather pedestrian for a turbo charged car.If someone checks out the EVO Mag.issue where they test the Civic Type R practically every in-gear acceleration of the GTI is slower than all the other competitors bar the Type R.
If the JDM CTR was available,that too would lose the comparison for the same reason or something like "Ouch the ride is very firm".

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The comparison was between the MPS, GTI and CTR - not those other cars you mention. That fact is the CTR is expressed to be the slowest of the lot. If they thought the CTR was best they would have said so. But they didn't. They don't need timeslips to decide which car they prefer.

The GTI is hardly pedestrian and has achieved much better than 15.3 published. The last test I saw in Motor was 14.6 for the DSG and 0-100 in 6.5 (July 07). The manual is slower but the CTR is behind the GTI according to Motor anyway on pace.