Here is what i see. In MY opinion. 2 ways of thinking are going on at the moment
Adrian
"Even when you do manage to polish a turd & it ends up really fast...At the end of the day, it's still shit."
Ben
"Its not the cover that is important...its the power within"
By the way of thinking couldnt you say, if a car is fast, who cares if its running a d16, "its not the cover that is important... its the power within" I completely agree, however i believe adrian contradicts this by lableing something as a polished turd purely based on a engine number.. not on the power it produces.
Dont get my wrong im sure you all have your own professional opinions. But i find it strange that you both seem to be "batting on the same team" yet your making statements that are contradicting each other.