Trade CL9 Accord Euro for E90 320i?

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05-08-2011, 06:27 PM
Kevl

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Originally Posted by EuroZed

really interesting sceanrio you are in..........
I actually traded my 2006 e90 320i for an Accord Euro
two reasons for it, i was getting back all my money i bought the beamer for and i had 3 issues that if they came back would be expensive to fix if they did happen, what made me sad was the car only had done 36k kms, and already played up a little, other than that i found not enough power some times, but loved the car totally, it had such a nice finish and feel of things and quality of parts was very high, just not reliable i guess? so went with Euro with a heavy heart that i may miss the bmw alot (which i do) but the power on the Euro is amazing compared to the 320i, its more refined and more trouble free although in saying that im facing a possible gear bearing sound at 70K kms already on the euro.....i think if i were you speak to Oz crowd on e90post.com and than make your decision, the car sounds like a really nice package, best would be to have warranty with it than u dont care.........
all the best keen to hear what you do
if i get a chance i would look at a 320d or 325i or 330i e90 shapes still next year when my lease ends.......but brain says IS250........
beamer specialist tells me that diesels are more reliable for some reason with bmw

Yea the BMW does have a higher quality feel to the car which is funny cause it is less reliable.

If you don't mind me asking what went wrong on your BMW? My Aunty had issues as well in the beginning.

Thanks for your opinion, just waiting on my aunty now to see if she upgrades or not. Will let you know if we get the BMW :)

Oh, I would have expected it to be the other way round (heard latest turbodiesels are very complex). Volkswagen have had quite a lot of problems with their diesels. I'm sure the beamer specialist knows more than me though lol.

How about the IS350 :p
05-08-2011, 09:22 PM
Fredoops

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Originally Posted by Kevl

Yea the BMW does have a higher quality feel to the car which is funny cause it is less reliable.

If you don't mind me asking what went wrong on your BMW? My Aunty had issues as well in the beginning.

Thanks for your opinion, just waiting on my aunty now to see if she upgrades or not. Will let you know if we get the BMW :)

Oh, I would have expected it to be the other way round (heard latest turbodiesels are very complex). Volkswagen have had quite a lot of problems with their diesels. I'm sure the beamer specialist knows more than me though lol.

How about the IS350 :p

IS250/350: what a camry/aurion should handle like

diesel is more reliable cause it's more developed and produced in larger volumes in europe, also less parts.
also the 320d can be tuned to make power out of the demon hole ... from what i've heard the diesel has wayyy more parts/options avail than the 320i (look up alpina.. "drool").
06-08-2011, 12:13 AM
I CU2

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Originally Posted by Fredoops

IS250/350: what a camry/aurion should handle like

It's all rear-wheel drive and everything though! I would expect a ES350 to handle like the Aurion (luckily not sold in this market), but not the IS250/350.
06-08-2011, 11:14 AM
MingZai

Ok I'm going to write up a small review on both the cars and I won't be biased just cause we are on a Honda Forum. (Was about to write up a review on the two cars, side by side comparison).
Pretty much in my family we have the 2011 E90 BMW 323i and a 2004 CL9 Accord Euro.
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Performance:
The 323i runs with a 2.5L Inline 6 Engine giving out 204 PS (150 kW; 201 bhp) 250 N·m (184 lb·ft).
The Euro runs with a K24A4 Inline 4 Engine producing 189 hp (140 kW) 164.5 ft·lbf (223;N·m).
When running down a straight the Euro does pull away from the 323i in my experience. Maybe I should do a more accurate drag.
I believe the 323i is heavier (correct me if I'm mistaken) thus being slower.

The BMW is better for long distance driving for me as it is more comfortable and I can plug in my iPhone and chat on the phone without having to purchase the xcarlink or be scared my phone will run out of battery.
Also better for the luxurious look (durr).

When getting your car serviced, BMW does provide a much better customer experience providing you with loan cars if needed while your car is on service and if lucky you might get a 5 or 6 series for the day and they clean your car
whereas Honda just do the service and return your vehicle like how you brought it in.

Fuel consumption on the 323i ranges from 11.5-15 depending on how you drive.

Got to rush off to work lol but don't know what else to write... feel free to ask questions :D
06-08-2011, 11:19 AM
Fredoops

323 is just a 325 detuned ain't it?
Why not reflash the chip to get more out of the 2.5l v6?
06-08-2011, 05:55 PM
tony1234

IMO biggest negative against the BMW is the service/maintenance costs.
06-08-2011, 05:57 PM
[SDCTVE]

nice of you to go through the trouble to write a review, just a minor problem.... the BMW that Kevl is speaking about is a 2.0 4 cyl 110kw engine. COMPLETELY different to the 323 or 325 6. that aside I think we've established that its not up to the CL9's performance and is seeking opinions whether to go for the BMW or keep the CL9 :p
06-08-2011, 06:12 PM
Fredoops

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Originally Posted by tony1234

IMO biggest negative against the BMW is the service/maintenance costs.

Not in New Zealand it isnt. Kevl has stated time and time again in this thread Honda would cost more to service/maintenance than the beemer where he is, and from what I know he's about right.

Honda service's like daylight robbery over there
07-08-2011, 10:01 AM
tony1234

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Originally Posted by Fredoops

Not in New Zealand it isnt. Kevl has stated time and time again in this thread Honda would cost more to service/maintenance than the beemer where he is, and from what I know he's about right.

Honda service's like daylight robbery over there

Sounds like the opposite of here in Aust!!
07-08-2011, 11:36 AM
Kevl

Quote:

Originally Posted by MingZai

Ok I'm going to write up a small review on both the cars and I won't be biased just cause we are on a Honda Forum. (Was about to write up a review on the two cars, side by side comparison).
Pretty much in my family we have the 2011 E90 BMW 323i and a 2004 CL9 Accord Euro.

Got to rush off to work lol but don't know what else to write... feel free to ask questions :D

Thanks for the review :)

Wow 15l/100km?? Is that flooring it a lot of the time?

Also, what's your favourite part about each car?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fredoops

Not in New Zealand it isnt. Kevl has stated time and time again in this thread Honda would cost more to service/maintenance than the beemer where he is, and from what I know he's about right.

Honda service's like daylight robbery over there

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Originally Posted by tony1234

Sounds like the opposite of here in Aust!!

Agreed
07-08-2011, 01:39 PM
MingZai

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Originally Posted by [SDCTVE]

nice of you to go through the trouble to write a review, just a minor problem.... the BMW that Kevl is speaking about is a 2.0 4 cyl 110kw engine. COMPLETELY different to the 323 or 325 6. that aside I think we've established that its not up to the CL9's performance and is seeking opinions whether to go for the BMW or keep the CL9 :p

It really isn't a problem as when your comparing car's you don't just judge on the engine. The 320i and 323i main difference is the engine and that's about it. Since we've already established that performance wise BOTH the 320i and 323i can't keep up with the CL9 then we move on to other things such as fuel consumption, comfortableness and luxuriousness. Like I said the 320i would def feel much more comfortable and luxurious. My 323i has the M-Sport pack and the suspension is still softer then my CL9. When driving on the freeway, it feels like your gliding but still in control and it certainly is very very quiet though the CL9 is quiet too. The service costs are quite similar and maybe the BMW may require a higher service cost but not ridiculously over the top compared to the Honda service. + You get what you pay as their service is 10 times more better than Honda's lol. Your car gets washed and a loan car is given to you if you require one. BUT the stereo on the CL9 is much better than the BMW. I have to put max bass on the 323i to match the stock CL9 sound settings and still it isn't quite there.

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Originally Posted by Kevl

Thanks for the review :)

Wow 15l/100km?? Is that flooring it a lot of the time?

Also, what's your favourite part about each car?

Agreed

Well Stock for Stock

320i / 323i:
Luxurious look and feel.
Comfortable for long drives compared to the Euro
Auto headlights :D
iPod Connection
Bluetooth Connectivity

Euro:
Sportier
Better stereo
Bigger boot space (to my belief)
Cheaper and probably more reliable over the long term!
27-08-2011, 09:14 PM
Kevl

Hey guys,

Thought I'd post an update.

We're no longer getting the BMW. Mainly due to our relative deciding to keep the BMW for her son.

Interesting to find out that only a few days after an oil change most of it leaked out onto their garage and BMW refused to reimburse and charged them for another oil change....

Our neighbour worked for BMW and said that they often had really bad service and would always suggest things which didn't need to be serviced / replaced.

They also said all 4 tyres need to be replaced because the edges of all 4 tyres are not in good condition, my aunty does not know much about cars and I feel like they are ripping her off.

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