yeah.. that fag with the tongue.. dont tell me theres something wrong with that clip.
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yeah.. that fag with the tongue.. dont tell me theres something wrong with that clip.
I have a feeling that a fair few V8 boys and Rotary heads might dispute the first comment ;) Oh - di d I mention there used to be a kawasaki powered mini dragster pulling 10s @ phenomenal revs.Quote:
Originally Posted by dcii_sir
As for the second, a CA18DET is not a SR20DET ;)
Try it against a Spec R S15 on the same boost or a GTiR AWD Pulsar and I'd be very interested to see the outcome. I've watched ITRs on the dyno and the output is nowhere near that of a GTiR w/mods ;) Handling is where the DC2 excels - I dunno about the JDM DC5 - but I'm guessing it's the same.
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Originally Posted by dcii_sir
Ermm.. I should have corrected that.. Its suppose to be the fastest civic in the world.. :D
Heheheh - I did wonder ;)
i dunno about rolling...
but from standstill, i dunno about getting smoked.. i guess ive gone against crappy drivers.. even though im a crappy driver hah
There's a 9-sec N/A CRX in the States. Quote below was taken from fullboost. I think it's the fastest FWD N/A in the world. Doubt it's the fastest N/A overall though.
"Durst clocked the first nine-second All Motor performance in NHRA sport compact history in the second round of eliminations when she blasted her Horizon motorsports Honda CRX to a run of 9.934 seconds at 134.99 mph."
go nissan! hehehe
Not anymore,Quote:
Originally Posted by dcii_sir
she ran a 9.9 a few weeks ago. :)
NA power is completely different to Turbo power: whilst NA power c urves tend to be smooth all the way to the top, Turbo power curves develop *spikes* which is usually when the turbo spools up.
Take this into account when racing a turbo car and get the mods necessary for you to reach top-end faster: clutch, flywheel, lightned crank pulley, light wheels (eg Rotas), semi-slicks, weight reduction (back seats, spare and tools at least) and I/H/E + tuning shoulndt be out of the question. All in all you might stand a chance if you launch well. Do you have an EG with a b16a? if you do i say you're 70% there man.
I for one love Nissans, dayum!! my next car will most def be a Nissan but Im keepin' my hatch as well 'cose nothing beats a fast handlin' NA car in the track, not even a Nissan...
PS>Instead of just stating a yes/no answer and a generalised comment (eg. Turbo ownz yoo :shock: ) lets make this thread a bit more informative guys; state not only you opinions but also your experinces and recomendations...Lets give respect to the cars we drive is wot i trying to say...
This exact discussion was brought up on another forum (Nissan).
180 vs Type-R. Here's a quote from someone's post just out of interest:
If we didn't use piston engines, this debate wouldn't have gone this far --- it would have been far, far simpler. Their archaic design with their valves, cams, pistons, blah blah blah... why its still around is testament to large motor company's and unions protecting workers. if you pulled the piston engine, I tell you now, the Japanese economy, the US economy and much of Europe will go into financial recession almost immediately. It's so stupid. We're sitting here debating over which piston engine, one with greater efficiency because valve technology developed in the early 1900s sucked for anything over 4000rpm, and the other with turbo technology, designed for pretty much the same purpose, getting the darned piston engine to flow more than it does cos it sucks!
The fact that a manufacturer such as Honda have resorted to making up stuff like VTEC is just a testament to how pathetic the piston engine really is. It's holding everyone back. Nobody wants to change because all the car makers will have to throw away everything... their billion dollar partnerships with parts manufacturers that manufacture pistons, rods, etc... their workers and designers, all the mechanics around the world who are used to piston engines will feel betrayed because they spent their lives and their apprenticeships studying such machines only to have their years of experience made redundant. What about their ties with shipping companies that get regular business shipping engine parts? With freight companies. They'll feel betrayed too. Countries like Japan will go absolutely nuts. No no no, when you think about it, we're stuck with the stupid thing for at least another generation.
When a 140kw car loses 30kw's in "the drivetrain" making 4 pistons move up and down between a shaft, being bathed in oil so the thing doesn't overheat it makes you wonder we're still stuck back in the 1900s. All this chaos just to make some wheels move. The engine can't even "stop", so they invented the "idle" just so it won't become so imbalanced it'll shake the whole car. And guess what?! It's still around today. VW made a good attempt to do away with this, but looked like a fad.
Yes, piston technology is quite laughable. In the words of Reeve's Callaway (who hates the ICE himself, has this to say about these things):
"If you had to sit down and think about all the things required to make something as archaic as the internal combustion engine work, you'll go crazy! The device normally shouldn't work that well. But, after a century of development it really is a case of execution over design."
As far as this debate goes... heck, if the piston engine with a turbo is going to have trouble beating another piston engine which has its valve timing more efficiently actuated, heck that line right there is enough to make me cry and yearn for the future.
nice rant... :DQuote:
Originally Posted by XXpl05ive
*grasping at straws argument*
what about character??
i find wringing the motor out for everything it has to be quite entertaining. even if the fruits of the labour are less... it might just be more fun. it depends on whether you are playing to win, or playing for personal gratification.
so there. :evil: