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All Honda fans seem to be devastated if the Euro disappears,check out Whirlpool forums where it is probably the most Fred popular model over there,and tsxclub.com owners are way more passionate about their cars than us over here in OZ.
Fredoops seems to be the only one in favour of this.
If you really hate your CL9 so much,as you always appear to do,you will sell it very easily,and buy a competitors product.
Wow that escalated quickly
He's stating facts
How is that hate against his own car
Im sure Freedops has put alot of money/time/maintenance into it
And for you to accuse him? - mate your argument is invalid
fred wants his CL9 to live forever
and then one day go to CL9 heaven when fred goes to human heaven with korean jesus (because fred is asian)
i think the writing has been on the wall for honda for quite some time. as much as we are all honda enthusiasts, when was the last time honda released anything groundbreaking?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jasemas
alot of their cars have fallen behind their competitors. even their flagship line up is disappointing when compared to their competitors. sure its comfy but thats about where it stops, things get even worse when you compare that the AUDM and other markets features.
At least their lawnmowers are still good :(
Accuse me what you like, I had my CL9 for 10 years, 2nd batch to ever come in the country, I saw Honda fall from the podium, in slow mo train crash mode.Quote:
Originally Posted by antony
I'm passionate about my Euro but I'm no "fanboi". You can see where the corporate decisions are sh1tty and Honda had been riding on their reputation for a decade.... All the while rooting their customers and squeezing them for every cent over parts and servicing.
I'm on whirlpool to give a bit of perspective from the usual fanfare.
As much as I love my car it's no excuse for poor management decisions and corporate strategy:
- Im not the one decided to weld the exhaust manifold into the K24 in the CU2
- Im not the one decided to bloat the CU2 to add another 150kg's
- Im not the one decided to NOT use the AVTEC technology thats been sitting on a damn shelf since 2006
- Im not the one decided to NOT use the Direct Injection technology thats in the Honda Steam since 2003!
- Im not the one who decided to NOT make any changes to a transmission design thats know to cause issues
- Im not the one who decided to drop all performance cars from the line up in the mid 2000's
- Im not the one who decided Halo cars aren't important (NSX)
They had the technology that would enable them to be competitive, market leaders even: AVTEC (Advanced Vtec), direct Injection etc, they decided against it, AND dropped their sports lineup for eco-cars. I don't hate them, Honda seems to hate their own R&D department.
They had a chance to be market leader in the mid 2000's, yet they pissed it all away.
I'm not about to be one like of those falcodore fanboi's who refuse to recognise consumer pattern had changed and their large sedans are becoming less and less relevant.
PS: you'd find the Euro Modification scene here is just as popular as the US, Join AusEuro fb page to check it out yourself.
PSS: Dont give me the crap that I don't love Honda, no, HONDA dont Love HONDA.
The Euro is a great car that also reflects everything that went wrong with Honda.Quote:
Fredoops seems to be the only one in favour of this.
If you really hate your CL9 so much,as you always appear to do,you will sell it very easily,and buy a competitors product.
You can probably compare it to the likes of Eunos 800 of the 90's, brilliant car, awful corporate strategy that almost sent Mazda broke.
When it finally gets off the "daily driver" list im converting it into a club racer, it's more stable than an Integra.Quote:
Originally Posted by axispower
I'm with Fred. I love my Euro, but I can see Honda completely stuffing up the next one. I mean the CU2 is basically running on the CL9 running gear, but with 150kg more bulk. Looking at the new CRV, Accord and Civic, I doubt that Honda would be able to do anything but carry over the current drive train. Now considering the Euro typical model life is 6-7 years, that would mean the next Euro would have essentially the same drivetrain, but a heavier body again, and will have to last till 2018! It's like saying, the NSX is a legendary car for Honda which really broughht up the company's status. So the next one should be a 4 door sedan weighing 2 tones and powered by a 1.6lt 60kw N/A petrol..... why ruin the name plate.Quote:
Originally Posted by antony
I think I've mentioned it before, but I don't blame Honda for this. GFC hit, and most other companies were support by the countries, e.g GM and Ford by US; Holden, Ford and Toyota got Aus gov funding. Honda had Japan, who was hit by the tsunami, and are still suffering power problems as they are now. They were also hit by the Thailand flood, meaning that most of their production was shut down. Australia didn't see any stock of anything other than the Civic Type R and Euro for like a year. No money = no R&D. At most, the best Honda would be able to do would be fit more tech and a different skin onto the CU2 and claim it's a new car, but compared to current competiton, how well do you think it'll hold? Even a Camry would be able to compete against it.
Id love to see it. Id also like to hear your CL9 growl.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fredoops
Funny how the UK Honda doesnt sell the US Accord... Maybe the Euro will be continued by the Poms as well?
EU's dropping the AccordQuote:
Originally Posted by denot
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/201...-honda-accord/
well considering it sold 2500 cars last year in TOTAL in the UK, hardly suprising.
This is an intereting video, from 13 years ago by Clarkson, prophetic lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSYD4...ture=endscreen
its scarily true. and not just in the automotive world but in almost every sector that the japanese once excelled in.