Jase, I disagree with the tyre testing u brought up. It isnt the FIA's fault that bridgestone didnt treat their teams right.
The aim of all this is to cut down costs to the TEAMS, not the tyre suppliers.
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Jase, I disagree with the tyre testing u brought up. It isnt the FIA's fault that bridgestone didnt treat their teams right.
The aim of all this is to cut down costs to the TEAMS, not the tyre suppliers.
All motorsport these days are trying to cut down testing and other cost.
After Pueguot and Citrein (sp) said it was too expensive to be in WRC and people complaining in F1 and even Super taxi's are bitching about it.
My opinion: Top Rally and Top open wheeler should be a show stopper on so many levels and SHOULD introduce new technology (which comes from testing) which later on people find in there road cars.
Its just like saying Broncos and Roosters etc can only train 3 days a week with no warm up and just play.
At the top level it makes no sense!
Can't afford it?
JOIN ANOTHER RACING LEAGUE!
Get new sponsors, after banning cigarette companies they killed a lot of money they could have.
Oh well, thats the way I look at it.
BAR to take FIA to court if found guilty...
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(GMM) BAR will return the favour and take the FIA to court if found guilty of cheating and excluded from the championship.
BAR-Honda 'CEO' Nick Fry refused to rule out challenging, in a civil court, an adverse decision of Paris' International Court of Appeal.
''If we were to be excluded,'' he said, ''we would have no choice.
''We would have nothing to lose.
''But we are assuming ... that won't be the case.''
'The Times' in Britain said the Brackley team will probably make some staff 'redundant' if handed the ultimate penalty.
Meanwhile, in London, F1 supremo Bernie Ecclestone chucked out rumours that - should BAR be excluded - some teams might have to run a third car to make up the numbers.
''You can't suddenly make people run more cars,'' he explained
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/com...E39478,00.html
from the herald sun
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Threat to throw out BAR
05may05
FORMULA One's governing body accused BAR of cheating last night and asked an appeal court to throw the team out of the 2005 championship.
"The FIA asks the court to exclude the Lucky Strike BAR Honda team from the 2005 Formula One world championship and to fine the team at least one million euros ($1.29 million)," the International Automobile Federation (FIA) said in a dossier of evidence presented to a Paris appeal court hearing.
BAR's Jenson Button finished third in the San Marino Grand Prix on April 24, scoring the Honda-powered team's first points of the year.
The FIA is appealing against a decision by race stewards, who spent six hours scrutinising Button's car after the race.
The stewards upheld the result despite suspicions BAR competed with an underweight car and may have used a hidden, secondary fuel tank.
"The team set out deliberately to gain an illegitimate and unfair advantage over other teams, an act prejudicial to the interests of the competition and to the interests of motor sports generally," the FIA said.
BAR, which has denied any wrongdoing, asked the court to dismiss the FIA appeal.
Its lawyer David Pannick QC said that such a sanction "would be manifestly disproportionate as would be any exclusion from future events".
BAR technical director Geoff Willis restated the team's position that it had done nothing wrong.
"At no time would I allow anybody in the team to do anything illegal, we have a common culture of integrity and fairness," he said.
A verdict is expected today.
For the second time in a matter of months, BAR and its young British driver must wait for a legal verdict that threatens to have a profound effect on their futures together.
BAR, a favourite for Sunday's GP in Barcelona, was confident it would be cleared by the facts.
Reuters
This even made Channel 10 sport news, can you believe it?
yeah not suprised..
its pretty big news...
Okay, not sayin they shouldnt be punished for any wrong doing, but on one hand you have them sayin that they have no money blah blah blah lets cut costs... now they are tryin to push one full team out...how much money would they lose with that team??
Or am I not knowing what im talking bout?? lol
If the entire team is banned, there will be a huge backlash.
why would there be a backlash, they broke the rules, they need to be punished.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Vivski
I doubt BAR are short of a crust so a fine is going to be a bit irrelevant.
Sixth paragraph down is interesting...
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BAR Honda left fuming
Fry - 'Nothing can be done'
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Fry raises the question as to other teams
using similar fuel systems.
BAR Honda announced here Friday that they have scrapped plans to appeal against their two-race ban after consultation with their lawyers overnight. The team were banned from this weekend's Spanish Grand Prix and the next race in Monaco after a court of appeal hearing in Paris concluded they had failed to comply with the regulations at the last race in San Marino.
Team boss Nick Fry had insisted they would do all they could to fight the ban but in a statement Friday morning the team said: "Having considered the complex legal framework, BAR has looked at all practical ways of immediately challenging the issue. Upon receiving the best legal advice, the conclusion is that nothing can be done. BAR has considered whether to pursue further action, but to challenge the governing body would not be in the best interests of the sport."
The team were accused of fielding their car underweight and were found guilty of running outside the Formula One regulations after a hearing at the International Court of Appeal in Paris on Wednesday.
They were delivered the punishment here Thursday and Fry admitted he was shocked by the decision because he believes the team's case put to the court in Paris made it clear they did nothing wrong.
The hearing centred around a second fuel tank, which was not fully emptied when the scrutineers asked for the car to be fully drained of fuel at the end of the San Marino race. Fry still insists the team are innocent.
"We know that the other teams have got a similar system because the fuel tank supplier who supplies us is the same as many of the teams. They have confirmed there's nothing unusual about our system. There have been rumours other people have been looking at their cars overall. This is a very draconian interpretation of the rules. I think it's made everyone look carefully at what their doing."
In a statement the team added: "The FIA court of appeal was unable to prove the team acted in bad faith so the team is unclear why there was the penalty. The team contests anything that could tarnish its reputation. BAR are so enraged with the decision that they have decided to publish their entire submission to the court of appeal on their official website later Friday afternoon."
They also confirmed that they will discuss the ramifications of the decision with their fellow teams and engine manufacturers on the Grand Prix grid and Fry added: "We are going to ensure we are completely transparent. During the course of the afternoon, we are posting everything from the court of appeal, all our witness statements, all our technical data (on our official website). Even though we are giving away some information to our competitors it's better that we do that to show everyone what we've done because we have nothing to hide."
The decision not to appeal means Briton Jenson Button and his Japanese team-mate Takuma Sato will both miss this weekend's race in Barcelona and the flagship Grand Prix in Monaco later on May 22. With their results cancelled from the last race in San Marino, where their infringement was discovered, neither driver has scored a point in this year's championship.
Source AFP
looks like fia's being a bunch o dogs
go BAR
But no other team(s) have been lighter.
The rules are there, and BAR did break them you can't deny it.
They were under weight and no matter how many excuses you come up with, they did CHEAT.
I have been searching, but can't find a interview with Dave Richards on this.