If our Euro's had that right-rear camber problem, they must have fixed it in 06 since my '06 doesnt have this problem with either the original 16" dunlops or the 17" yoko's.
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If our Euro's had that right-rear camber problem, they must have fixed it in 06 since my '06 doesnt have this problem with either the original 16" dunlops or the 17" yoko's.
Yup, TSB was for 2004 and part of 2005 TSXs. So 2006 TSX and probably our 2006 Euros don't have the problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by EuroDude
hms I bet if Honda just put equal suspension on both front wheels instead of making the left sussy higher, the rear-right camber setup wouldn't have a problem in the first place. :p
My 06 17" Potenza's had the problem, it got worse over time, up to the 1st service, had a tyre rotation and it seems much better, waiting to see if it develops again.Quote:
Originally Posted by EuroDude
Whats happened to this thread.
Seems to me that this is one of the most critical issues affecting Euro owners.I also think that with the large membership base of OzHonda we are in a unique position to at least eliminate whats NOT causing the problem.So far it appears that it has NOT been rectified in the 2006 model(as evidenced by CGspot and Woogler),that it affects mostly cars with anything bigger than 16"rims(until some other Standard owners post anyway),that 'out of spec' rear camber is not the cause on the majority of cars,that fitment of aftermarket coilovers and sway bars does not affect the problem(for better or worse),that front alignment set to factory specs also does not rectify the problem.
What's left,well possibly it might have something to do with directional tyres,particularly the Potenzas.That(in my case)changing up to Honda 17" rims immediately makes the problem appear.That tyre rotation seems in some cases to reduce the problem and in some cases, eliminate it altogether.Thats it so far,not bad though...i'll bet you couldn't get that much info out of Honda about the problem.
I would like to know what the front castor setting is supposed to be on the Euro, and in particular compare it to the settings on the US TSX.Castor settings closer to 0 degrees can make a vehicle want to go off in whatever direction the road/bumps sends it,whereas(in FWD CAR) more negative castor will help it maintain a centre steering position,and just possibly reduce the tendency to drift.But i also acknowledge that there are a lot of other factors which impact on steering generally as well.Its a fine line between stability and self centering.
I also wonder if in Honda's desire to eliminate front wheel drive torque effects(as they have done so well in the Euro) they havn't inadvertently created another problem.
Well I did say on the other post - if the left suspension is higher than the right, than it will upset the balance of everything and very likely be drifting to the side, obviously the RIGHT hand side...
(note: most ppl on here complain of the drift to the right. ome drift to the left however, i noticed.)
Bigger tyres (lower profile) tramline or drift to side much more, that's another reason why 17" might be more apparent with the problem.
Directional tyres also execerbate the problem, especially if the alignment isn't completely correct - they will try more and more to pull to their mis-aligned side to exaggerate the problem.
I don't really suggest it for FWD cars as I would for RWD, but dialling in a slight TOE-OUT angle on the front wheels might be beneficial. Yes it wears out front tyres slightly quicker, but it tracks better medium speed and also turns in much better. Its not good for high speed driving however, you might get slight vibrations above 120kph or something...
Whats the toe supposed to be set to on the Euro?Have you tried this yet?
I am waiting to wear out my standard tyres as soon as possible (doing crazy wheelspins!) so I could get some better grippier tyres for the wet :)
Someone has posted the TSX settings before, I can't seem to find it again. And yes and no. I haven't got toe-in dialled in on the Euro but I've tried it on other cars, with 0.5 degree each side - it tracks muchm ,uch more dead centre, and the 'initial' turn in feel is much more precise and reassuring during cornering. None of that eerie, 'will I make this corner' kind of feeling, which unfortunately is a weak point with the Euro Accord, compared to say a Mazda 6!
I had the issue on both the standard 16" and aftermarket 17" rims.Quote:
Originally Posted by avid
The way I described "the issue" is - the car steers perfectly straight if you hold the wheel with decent grip but if you have a gentle grip on the steering wheel (with both hands) it will drift left.... Some people may experience different degrees of this.
In terms of a solution - on the stock 16" rims - a laser alignment fixed the drift to a great degree. Unfortunately, within a short period - just months - the issue was back again. In my opinion the Euro seems to lose its alignment setting very easily. I wonder whether the Ingalls kit will help as that replaces some of the rear suspension arms.
The issue was the same on the 17" with wider tyres.
But - when I changed the suspension, tyres (non directional), fitted a strut brace and a new laser alignment (unfortunately all about the same time) - the issue has not returned (over 6 months now).
My experience is the same as yfin. But mine pulls to the right as I have already explained. The car will certainly track straight provided I apply appropriate pressure to the wheel, holding it to the left slightly.
I have had the wheels rotated AND swapped with another new Euro, and wheel alignments done at 2 different dealers with no change. The only outcome was that they identified the camber as being slightly incorrect. I wasn't told which wheel. I will clarify this tomorrow.
I am now trying to be patient and await the HA solution.
Yfin,its a pity you couldnt have narrowed down whatever mod it was that fixed your cars drift.If you had to guess,what mod would you reckon cured the problem?
It will be interesting to hear how Woogler goes with Honda.
As i drove home today i tried to really take notice of what the steering was doing.The road is straight (almost no camber)and has just been recoated with incredibly smooth bitumen.Steering is better on this road,but it feels like the steering is balanced on a knife edge,any slight movement of the wheels and the steering feels like it drops 'off centre'(not a good description i know,but very hard to convey exactly how it feels)Its definitely different to the solid feel when the 16" wheels with Dunlops were on the car.
avid, what mods do you have other than your rims?Quote:
Originally Posted by avid
You run 225/45 R17?