Purchased CAI or DIY CAI??

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Originally Posted by VTEC16

OK, here goes....

My keyboard was broken (wtf??)....and only some of the keys were working....so quoting was all i could do (unfortunately).....the few words that i did type were in word-insert-symbol...and then clicking each letter!!!

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if u really think so... making up an excuse just to stand back from what u said.. make an excuse to say something abt someone, but it wasnt intentional? good one..

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Originally Posted by VTEC16

I dont think there is a point in spending $400+ on a brand name cold air intake kit.

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what do u think professional drivers do? there is obviously a reason that ppl use off the shelf products, and mainly to the fact that it has benificial gains involved. if its not worth it, im sure others wouldve known that too.. Eg, tuning house's (mugen? spoon?) i dun see any Mugen branded plumbing pipe.. nor Spoon.. main reason? theres better stuff out there..

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Originally Posted by VTEC16

The gains are soo minimal that it is literally throwing money down the drain.

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maybe in ur case.. it all depends on the type of setup u have..

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Originally Posted by VTEC16

getting some piping made up to emulate these products (with a quality filter -eg. K&N) would do an almost identical job....but cost a mere fraction.

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maybe some ppl cant afford it, and go Diy... thats good for them.. but if u have money to spend why not spend it? theres nothing worst than popping ur bonnet and showing ppl ur beactiful PVC plumbing pipe.. :!:

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Originally Posted by VTEC16

There is no concern for damaging your precious honda....unless you do something retarded.......you can always chuck the stock airbox/resonators back..

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not everyone is as talented as u are/think u are. this is where simple bolt ons come in to play. do it once, do it right, no more hassles.. DIY? 'oh shit, my PVC piping is melting...' as for the no concern bit... others might actually have some intention to keep the car for a while... hence taking care of it and only giving it the best.. looks like ud rather spend money fixing up what stuffs up when u 'do something retarded' rather than doing it right the first time with no problems.

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Originally Posted by VTEC16

Im not trying to make enemies here.....im sorry if i upset you....i just dissagree with you....but thats cool....cause everyone's entitled to their point of views.

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dont be, cause what u say doesnt make me worried one bit.. enemies? its a forum, relax.. everyone is here just to share opinions.. got nothing good to say? simply just dont say anything.

Another thread that I simply have to reply, this has gotta be nothing more than useless junk, from staying on topic to going completely off-topic. Sorry, but what's the point of the personal attacks, VTEC16 ... ? There's no one here to impress and most certainly name calling is nothing more than a typical forum troll.

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Originally Posted by McChook

I personally have not seen ANY of those american/japanese CAIs make an increse in horsepower, including skunk2, neuspeed, AEM.. they are all crap, don't do anything. Stick a good pod or a good panel filter in an airbox, and stuff a big tube front the front bumper up to the airbox.

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I highly beg to differ, if your statement is true ... There will be no reputable manufacturers out there selling all sorts of intakes/air induction chambers with all the R&D behind that. Not everything is perfect and most certainly not everything is gonna give you the "numbers" but getting an intake to suit your driving is perhaps the biggest question one might ask.

The following are some very well reputable manufacturers producing proven "numbers" as everyone's greatest obsession. In general, a gains of 10bhp is perhaps the maximum/optimum point from an intake upgrade. Here are the most common and perhaps also the most effective ranging from cheap to very expensive.

How much and how far you are willing to or should I say CAN go, is entirely an individual perspective. All that R&D spent by big manufacturers to extract every possible power on different powerbands is not a waste. It's the consumer that cannot appreciate or justify why everything is judged by an X amount of dollars.

Injen Race Division CAI
K&N Aircharger Kit
K&N Tyhoon CAI
Comptech Air/Icebox
Apexi Power Intake
ARC Air Chamber
Mugen CFRP CAI
J's Racing CFRP CAI
M-Gruppe K&N Japan

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Originally Posted by McChook

did a back to back comparo on a dyno
standard airbox with pipercross Vs Skunk2 CAI on an VTiR civic
the skunk2 lost 3kw, and they have a shotty paper filter on the end... save ya cash, buy a cheapo front pipe up to the airbox, stick a nice foam filter in there, and keep the rest stocker

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Skunk2? Unfortunately that is not something I'd even put on a Honda, but people put on anything they believe will make them move forward faster rather than going backwards. And what sort of foam filter would you recommend with a cheapo front pipe that can withstand engine heat/extreme cold/wet weather/stone & pebbles and most importantly will not deform? Sorry, it just not that simple.

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Originally Posted by tofu R

what u read online everyone has their own opinions .. some people like to use dodgy backyard gardenhoses and leaf rakes and shit on their hondas

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I just have to laugh at this, unfortunately Tofu R is very right. For crying out loud, you're improving your car's air intake capabilities, not plumbing around trying to justify copying an R&D design will work. If the level of competition in racing was so low, I doubt they'd need to use expensive metals like titanium to even begin with. Then again, some people would have to say titanium is nothing more but over-rated crap with a hefty price tag that god knows why people still pay big dollars for it.

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Originally Posted by tanghy

diu na sing

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Sorry, but is there a need for this? I find this highly uncalled for and I wouldn't shoot your customers like this if you ask me. Try to be more proactive and tactful rather than opinated if you want to improve your clientele.

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Originally Posted by ATSE

diu... itz a farkin intake for gods sake... who cares... whoopie i got 2kw from a $400 intake.... wow....
DIY man... there will be minimal difference... and use the money to buy more effective mods...

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You might as well say, "At the end of the day, it's only a Honda. Why bother?" Pointless if you ask me. And highly un-necessary, if you can't have a discussion pointer to add, why bother making a note to up your post count? And the fact that people do care is the same people that makes development and improvements happen. Next time you think about whatever this and whatever that you put into your car, think about how it even came about to begin with.

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Originally Posted by VTEC16

That intake test is fatally flawed. On a dyno, the bonnet is open, which completely negates the use of a CAI, also the stock filter was exposed, which in normal circumstances would make it suck in hot air, but in this case it was getting cold air.....so effectively the stock airbox is also a CAI without the restriction of the longer and bendier piping.

In fact most intake tests arent worth the paper they're written on bc they dont simulate actual driving situations at all.

Not to mention that this was on an S2000 which flows much more air than a vtir teg and hence the gains are somewhat different.

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A stubborn mind can never accept what anyone tells you, I most certainly bet you wondered how lovely JGTC machines are but yet cannot justify the cost. Yes, you're right, dyno's don't mean anything. But at least someone bothered to do a write-up and made some constructive sharing without gaining in return unlike some people who simply have an agenda online?

And did you bother reading the whole thread or just decide to skim and pick out what you liked from the 5 pages? Next time, before you open another round of pointless flaming attack, at least read what others have highlighted. This was clearly NOT carried out on an S2000 if you have not realized.

UP my post count? Im posting what i think.. if u don't like it... hey its perfectly fine by me, same thing as i don't like what your posting.

Oh one more thing "At the end of the day, it's only a Honda. Why bother?" ARE YOU HAPPY???? :)

Okay, boost's origional question was answered!!!

This threads gone on long enough :D

Any posts off topic or personal attcks will be deleted.

Ok guys I'm going to make an offer to anyone that wants to test all these idea's back to back on the dyno.PM me with any requests for what you want tested as far as CAI goes. Anyone want to donate there car for the day and I need someone to bring there movie camera to record all the runs and the mods that we do.
Regards Dyno Dave

I have many a rebuttal to write, but no time....going to the casino......ill start when i get home.

...sorry rowie.....let us finish the bickering....let everyone read it...and then we can all move on.

plz dont delete a word.....im really looking forward to this discussion.

cheers.

if you want to finish the bickering, send the person a PM....

If you want to add your opinion on the 'SUBJECT' then go ahead!

Mugen (copy) airbox :thumbsup:

As we said before.
Dynos are not the "be all end all " of what a good and crap CAI is .. or any other modifcation as a matter of fact ..

A dyno is one of the only pieces of machinery that can give your car a "report card" in BIG BLACK AND WHITE letters.

Some people like them
Some people find them indictive
and a lot even read the readings like they would read a bible

It IS good for people who like to show off how many ponies that they may run under the hood but never use.
but I must say that it is also good for OVERALL tuning purposes
and I have to add that it is a ROUGH INDICATION..

At the end of a day.
A car is meant to be driven on tarmac. and not on rollers
So I believe it is a fair conlcusion that road tests should be the place for a better indication of where the true power of the R&D in these products lie..

(Dyno Dave, this is not an attack on you by any means .. I admire your work.. but i AM having a go at people that cant feel the difference in modifcations .. and in turn blame it on the products being crap .. instead of realising that it is themselves that are really crap.. after all " a bad workman always blames his tools")

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Originally Posted by VTEC16

I have many a rebuttal to write, but no time....going to the casino......ill start when i get home.

...sorry rowie.....let us finish the bickering....let everyone read it...and then we can all move on.

plz dont delete a word.....im really looking forward to this discussion.

cheers.

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rebuttle ? there is no rebuttle to be made .. maybe if u actually saved money instead of pouring your money into casinos u could afford a decent CAI .. and even feel the difference?

if u want to see the REAL difference between intakes. and make us eat our words.. with your burkes-backyard wannabe skills.... we can meet up and have a real road test .. now that would be a good rebuttle..

im sure ap1 and jap88 are up for it too...

you keen ?

bring this tread to the race track. end of story again.

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Originally Posted by JAP88R

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Originally Posted by VTEC16

OK, here goes....

My keyboard was broken (wtf??)....and only some of the keys were working....so quoting was all i could do (unfortunately).....the few words that i did type were in word-insert-symbol...and then clicking each letter!!!

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if u really think so... making up an excuse just to stand back from what u said.. make an excuse to say something abt someone, but it wasnt intentional? good one..

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Im not standing back from what I said….iv never taken it back….here is an older thread to prove it:
http://www.ozhonda.com/forums/viewto...ghlight=#35112

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Originally Posted by JAP88R

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Originally Posted by VTEC16

I dont think there is a point in spending $400+ on a brand name cold air intake kit.

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what do u think professional drivers do? there is obviously a reason that ppl use off the shelf products, and mainly to the fact that it has benificial gains involved. if its not worth it, im sure others wouldve known that too.. Eg, tuning house's (mugen? spoon?) i dun see any Mugen branded plumbing pipe.. nor Spoon.. main reason? theres better stuff out there..

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Yes, professional drivers use better parts then I do…..they also spend a bucket-load of cash doing it. I never at any stage said that the off the shelf products aren’t largely better than DIY job…are they worth it? I doubt that 90% of ppl could tell the difference between the two. The gains are THAT small.

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Originally Posted by JAP88R

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Originally Posted by VTEC16

The gains are soo minimal that it is literally throwing money down the drain.

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maybe in ur case.. it all depends on the type of setup u have..

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Tell me what setup you are implying would reap such significant gains so that there is a large difference between a properly setup DIY job and a $400 intake?

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Originally Posted by JAP88R

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Originally Posted by VTEC16

getting some piping made up to emulate these products (with a quality filter -eg. K&N) would do an almost identical job....but cost a mere fraction.

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maybe some ppl cant afford it, and go Diy... thats good for them.. but if u have money to spend why not spend it? theres nothing worst than popping ur bonnet and showing ppl ur beactiful PVC plumbing pipe.. :!:

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Ahhh….finally a point we agree on!! If you have money to splash….then buy the expensive stuff…..it generally is better than a DIY….so why not?
Usually when I talk about getting some piping made up, I don’t mean PVC……maybe you have encountered some ‘interesting’ DIY folk……but I was referring to making an AEM style intake…..with metal…..rather than dodgy plastic (see the links I posted in my previous post).

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Originally Posted by JAP88R

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Originally Posted by VTEC16

There is no concern for damaging your precious honda....unless you do something retarded.......you can always chuck the stock airbox/resonators back..

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not everyone is as talented as u are/think u are. this is where simple bolt ons come in to play. do it once, do it right, no more hassles.. DIY? 'oh shit, my PVC piping is melting...' as for the no concern bit... others might actually have some intention to keep the car for a while... hence taking care of it and only giving it the best.. looks like ud rather spend money fixing up what stuffs up when u 'do something retarded' rather than doing it right the first time with no problems.

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you’ve got a valid point here too….if you are unable to follow simple instructions and common sense….you are better off buying an intake and having it installed by a well known and respected tuning shop / autobarn. Again, you’d have to be stupid to use PVC. Im sorry, but I cant see anyone who knows ANYTHING about cars messing their cars up by installing a DIY intake.

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Originally Posted by AP1 F20c

A stubborn mind can never accept what anyone tells you, I most certainly bet you wondered how lovely JGTC machines are but yet cannot justify the cost. Yes, you're right, dyno's don't mean anything. But at least someone bothered to do a write-up and made some constructive sharing without gaining in return unlike some people who simply have an agenda online?

And did you bother reading the whole thread or just decide to skim and pick out what you liked from the 5 pages? Next time, before you open another round of pointless flaming attack, at least read what others have highlighted. This was clearly NOT carried out on an S2000 if you have not realized.

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Those GT champ cars are awesome…..if I could run a motorsport team I would.
I did appreciate the article…I just happen to be a bit of a sceptic (wasn’t that obvious??). I don’t have an agenda, other than arguing what I believe to be correct. I try to be objective wherever possible, so we can have good semi-technical discussions.

I read the whole article….and skimmed through all the pages of the thread….there was some interesting stuff….and some b/s too.

I did not go on a ‘pointless flaming attack’, I stated my arguments after reading what others had written.

And yeh….I must’ve read “hondata S200” as being a hondata test car S2000…..or something stoopid like that.

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Originally Posted by tofu R

rebuttle ? there is no rebuttle to be made .. maybe if u actually saved money instead of pouring your money into casinos u could afford a decent CAI .. and even feel the difference?

if u want to see the REAL difference between intakes. and make us eat our words.. with your burkes-backyard wannabe skills.... we can meet up and have a real road test .. now that would be a good rebuttle..

im sure ap1 and jap88 are up for it too...

you keen ?

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If you read above you will see my rebuttal. I havent been to the casino in many months….im not a big gambler at all….I took $70….lost $60….then got back to $75!!….walked away with an extra fiver!…so as you can see….my money is hardly “pouring”.

If I thought it would make a big enuf difference, id buy a brand name intake, but I don’t, so I wont.

I don’t want you to eat your words, I never said that DIYs were better…as for your suggestion that we race to compare intakes, you are missing my point, in any case the effect of a filter is negligible when compared with all of the many, many variables.





Anyway fellas….no hard feelings….im off too bed….feel free to rebut my rebutals……tommorow is another day.

Cheers.