what's the biggest handicap for DC4???

So why don't huge trucks accelerate quickly up hills? They have more torque than you can poke a stick at.

When did I mention that torque was useless. Torque is a parameter of power, and is a null point when it comes down to speed. It is all to do with area under the power curve, torque is irrelevent unless you are talking about torque * rpm, which is power.

You cannot compare two cars based on peak power numbers alone; You also failed to take into account weight, though, you are lucky the two cars are quite similar in weight (albeit S15 is lighter).

Your comparing a turbo engine with a head design where volumetric efficiency drops off at a similar level to the B18. You will hit peak power earlyish and then it will hold as the rpm rises.

Then you are comparing this to a high revving n/a engine, where the typical power curve is a straight line.

What has more area, a rectangle or a triangle which is 20% taller....

Do the maths.

(Obviously my example is rather exaggerated, since it will give 60% more area for the S15, but if you compare the two actual graphs, you will get the idea...)

MAAAAAN get over the bitchiness guys, put it this way, a vtir is a slightly more powerful car than a gsi full stop, given both have no modifications at all to either!!!! CANT argue with that. I own a gsi and have raced vtir tegs with success OK. mayb i was the better driver, maybe i had the better take off, what ever. BUT just dont go thinking that VTEC is a frikn jet engine that could keep up with F1 cars lol. for gods sake its only 20kw at the fly wheel. You get the better take off with a lsd type r tranny and i can guarantee the vtir wil not catch up in a short race from one light to another in a lil drag race(not talking about freeway conditions here!!??) its not like when vtec kicks in, ur tyres keep spinning all the way to fifth gear coz ur so powerful and have 30 psi running within ur setup. get a life!!! Simple is simple vtir slightly more powerful than gsi given all variables are the same.

for e.g. Gsi with a proper exhaust system and a cai will sure b a quicker car in performance than a stock vtir because of quicker acceleration etc etc

Go GSi! :D

SLIK_TEG,
okay lets be a little more resonable. If you put a dc2r lsd, full cat back system and a cai into both a gsi, and a vtir, the difference would only become greater, IE. dc2 >> then dc4.

Lets not compare a moded car vs a stock car,
either equal mods to both cars, or both stock.
When both cars are stock there is a 20kw difference in power (keep that in mind).
Modded, who knows.

btw, if changing the tranny is all you needed to do i don't see why there's a lack of aftermarket support for the b18b ? (dc4)

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Originally Posted by SLIK_TEG

You get the better take off with a lsd type r tranny and i can guarantee the vtir wil not catch up in a short race from one light to another in a lil drag race(not talking about freeway conditions here!!??) its not like when vtec kicks in, ur tyres keep spinning all the way to fifth gear coz ur so powerful and have 30 psi running within ur setup. get a life!!! Simple is simple vtir slightly more powerful than gsi given all variables are the same.

for e.g. Gsi with a proper exhaust system and a cai will sure b a quicker car in performance than a stock vtir because of quicker acceleration etc etc

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LOL!!!
thats hilarious!

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Originally Posted by FR33K

lol ok so your sayin a your vtir is close to even/quicker then a type r !!!
and that time is like .. one in a trillion..
but you cant accept that a gsi can be as quick as a vtir
and yes i know of at least 4 or 5 gsi's running 15.4 - 15.6

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must be about two in a trillion now. booget did a 14.9 with a cat back and cai, with a boot full of crap and 17's too- not to mention his totally cactus transmission. :thumbsup:

14.9 is pretty goddamn easy in a vti-r.

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Originally Posted by ginganggooly

14.9 is pretty goddamn easy in a vti-r.

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Link to the timeslip where you ran a 14.9 easily?

lol @ DC4 vs DC2 argument... *laughs at how (some) DC2 owners are overly defensive*

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/member....ails&userid=84


http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/member....ails&userid=99


http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/member....ls&userid=4597

http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/member....ils&userid=905

And this ones the slowest recorded Integra Vtir @ 15.257
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/member....ils&userid=530

but the whole point in this thread is to compare a stock vti-r with a stock gsi type r tranny with LSD. gsi has a better tranny and doesn't have vtec, i admit stock vti-r is faster than gsi. And who said there is a lack of aftermarket support b18b? never feel that way. FELIX all the vti-rs you got are modified (not stock).And i know some stock gsi did 15.4, and type r tranny with lsd will definitely give a better launch ,rev and shorter shifter ,so .....

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Originally Posted by string

Link to the timeslip where you ran a 14.9 easily?

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I was talking about booget...

The slowest i've run is a 14.8, but i'm a little less stock than booget. Look at the timeslip database if you want more details.

I know, i was just providing the link that string asked for.