Why a S2000?

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Originally Posted by aozora

Talk about narrow minded... Even though a car uses "old technology", it still puts out more power and torque. Isn't that the main thing? And being old, the "technology" would be better researched/experimented with. It's not like they're unreliable because of it (generally obviously)? I don't know why Jap car forums love to use that "arguement".
Looking at the potential of V8s, they're nothing to be laughed at. And while still being N/A it is also responsive without going Turbo (Turbo'ed LS1s are scary... even N/A LS1s). Then everybody seems to be concerned about fuel consumption... when you start modding any car for more power, naturally your fuel consumption will go up in most cases (depending on what you do/what type of car N/A/Turbo etc) so unless you intend to keep the engine stock... or are just a tight ass/outright poor when it comes to petrol... :p If you're earning that much to afford either car, I'm sure money shouldn't be a problem.
And how come nobody hasn't mentioned torque figures? They're just as important... funny that...
Interior/Comfort too?
Engine potential of such a High comp N/A?

But totally different markets, I don't know why you would compare a Powerful 4 door Sedan to an Agile 2 door convertable. Especially on a Honda forum... it'd be fairer to compare it to a Toyota MR-S, Mazda MX-5 etc.

Definately don't get me wrong though. I love the AP1 chassis... I've yet to properly drive one but from what I hear and see, the cornering and corner entry/braking abilities of these cars are absolutely perfect for what I would want :) The looks and engine note are just a bonus ;)
It's just a pity the main market of this car (most sports cars actually...) is for cruisers/show offs... much like the other similar two examples I mentioned. I've yet to see a nicely modded S2000 example which didn't involve a kit and wing (Air intake/Exhaust doesn't count :p). And since earlier examples are getting cheaper, they're becoming more common... thus more within reach of a younger market (Chap laps with chromies anyone?). Shame to see all the testing at the Nurburgring go to waste like that :( In the end, if it makes people happy...

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Very long post, but il try and simplify the main problem here.

2.0L N/A = 176kw thats 90kw per litre!!!

HSV (5.7L) = 260kw (aprox)
The HSV would need to produce about 520kw from its 5.7L engine to have something to compare it to the S2000.

But the bottom line is this, both cars are almost identical in STRAIGHT line speed. (Im comparing the s2k with the HSV club sport R8.)

So actualy I dont know why people like those high powered HSV's when the times they put down are in fact very much the same as an S2000, but they have much more POWER and much more FUEL consumption and much more CRAP under the bonnet:)
So thats if you compare the 2 completely different cars. But its silly to do that.

All about low down torque la, the HSV definately has the advantage of driving around suburban areas effortlessly, without needing much revs what so ever.

Oh and the new HSV's are using the new LS2 GenIV V8 6.0L in capacity and pumping out 297kW & 530Nm.

I think i'll sway for the HSV everytime If I just needed something to cruise around in.

For me, HSV = hotted up family car. S2000 = purpose built sports car. Sure you can make the 1700kg family car handle and grip but the 1700kg is still there. It would never feel as nimble as the S2000, its polar moment of inertia will never be in the same class as the S2K (which has the engine stuffed right back in the engine bay, behind the front axle line), it could never brake as deep into a corner as the S2k. It just doesn't do it for me.

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Originally Posted by s2king

Very long post, but il try and simplify the main problem here.

2.0L N/A = 176kw thats 90kw per litre!!!

HSV (5.7L) = 260kw (aprox)
The HSV would need to produce about 520kw from its 5.7L engine to have something to compare it to the S2000.

But the bottom line is this, both cars are almost identical in STRAIGHT line speed. (Im comparing the s2k with the HSV club sport R8.)

So actualy I dont know why people like those high powered HSV's when the times they put down are in fact very much the same as an S2000, but they have much more POWER and much more FUEL consumption and much more CRAP under the bonnet:)
So thats if you compare the 2 completely different cars. But its silly to do that.

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honda have achieved alot producing a engine such as this, but having said that you can't really achieve anything by doing the number crunching you have done, sure 90kw per liter is good, thats in the supercar league, but seriously, its alot easier to get good power per liter in a small engine, after that the engine size needs to be biger or blown to get something reliable, drivable etc. having said that do you think the sk2 is drivable? compare it to a 2stroke vs 4 stroke, the 2 strokes are fun, but they arent drivable for shit.

if u look at a graph, for the power of engines developed in a street car, power vs displacement, i think you will find the graph to peak pretty high in the under 2liter mark, after that it sorta flattens and climbs gradually between displacement vs power.

the hsv is the underdog in this argument, because it has cheated with extra cylinders and displacement, but if you compare the 2 from a standing start, they are even, but after that, rolling start the hsv would be the winner in all aspects, keeping in mind that in a circuit race there is only 1 standing start :)

Sure theres alot of r&d gone into the development of the s2000, but team boss skaife would have some input on the hsv as well http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...eusa_dance.gif

I think in the end, he just has to test drive both to see which one's best for his driving style/conditions.

Btw... crackwhore, like my rex? :p

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Originally Posted by Miss Chanel

Sure theres alot of r&d gone into the development of the s2000, but team boss skaife would have some input on the hsv as well http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...eusa_dance.gif

I think in the end, he just has to test drive both to see which one's best for his driving style/conditions.

Btw... crackwhore, like my rex? :p

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love it :love: :D cause its mine! ;)

i agree with the skaife comments, the experience gained from v8 supercar seires has seen the development of many great supercars- djr, hrt 427, tickfords, gtsr, etc,..,,,i just wish they would follow through with them!!!

and like she said, drive it, u will find both very pleasing to drive, the s2k does feel more "free" bodyroll is less severe and doesnt feel like a boat, but there nothing like cruising 100 and dropping a couple of gears on the freeway with the hsv. still, my relativley stock rex can keep up with the in 3rd. throw an evo into the equation!~!!!!

Oh yeah lets not forget the US market recieved the F22C to boost low end torque :p

i wanna see more johnny trans on the road

complete with black wife beaters :p

you just can not compare between Honda N Holden :cool: , definitely Honda got a better technology, Honda can make any horse power if they need to..... then again who can drive the car after that ??? because Honda always think that everyone at all age can drive and enjoy the car not only power

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Originally Posted by runwaycrackwhore

and like she said, drive it, u will find both very pleasing to drive, the s2k does feel more "free" bodyroll is less severe and doesnt feel like a boat, but there nothing like cruising 100 and dropping a couple of gears on the freeway with the hsv. still, my relativley stock rex can keep up with the in 3rd. throw an evo into the equation!~!!!!

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Drop a couple of gears in the HSV at 100? HA! No need, just drop one, the torque is available as long as you have the right peddle buried in the carpet.

wtf u gavin?!? sup

S2000 Is Stpobk Pice Of Shit

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Originally Posted by Speeder

Drop a couple of gears in the HSV at 100? HA! No need, just drop one, the torque is available as long as you have the right peddle buried in the carpet.

wtf u gavin?!? sup

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Hi yuki :wave: yeh, that was gav :rolleyes: