[Euro] Best Mods

Yep, throttle response is great with a lighter flywheel and it really does let the car rev out smoother.

And rpm changes are definitely more instaneous, but like you said the benifits really do out way any negatives, and personally i find (with the 4.7kg flywheel at least) that driving at lower speeds is fine once your used to the change.

And at highway speeds, you just put on cruise control and you don't even know it's there ;)

but yea lightweight wheels do serve a function, but the stock 16" rims on the standard euro are light already , some 'light' 17" or 18" rims actually add weight in comparison to the stock 16" (though upsizing to 17" is still beneficial).

And i agree good tyres > good wheels IMO aswell. Mainly for one reason: shithouse rims + amazing tyres = improvement, shithouse tyres + amazing rims = pointless.

If I had to choose an order of mods starting from stock it would be:

Swaybar (cost effective and great difference)

Coilovers (the icing on the cake for handling and aesthetics to some degree)

More bracing bars (can never have enough steering response and chassis stiffness *drool*)

New rims and tyres (when the stock rubber is all used up)

Lightweight flywheel (does about the same if not more for the car than I/H/E combined)

Intake (decent gains and gives a nice note)

Header (better breathing again)

Exhaust (amplifies the effects of the header)

Brake pad upgrade (to better handle the extra power)

DC5R camgear + tuneable ecu (futher increase power now that the braking is up to scratch)

after all that, your euro would be kicking some serious ass around a round-about on the track or going up your drive-way lol - it just wouldn't stop being fun :D

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Originally Posted by Omotesando

I think the biggest benefit of Lightened Flywheel is the instant throttle response - so much noticeable difference... At higher RPM its also a bit smoother/faster to the redline!

With lightened flywheel however, RPM does drop more instantaneously so you have to keep revving it higher especially during lower speeds to drive more smoothly and without stalling hmmm. :( At higher freeway speeds, it also doesn't keep the speed its traveling at so its a bit less smoother... but for me its perfect throttle control wise as its more 'instinctive' ?

Overall though the gains out-benefit the losses. Honda, N/A - its all about Revving anyway!

As for Lighter Wheels vs Lighter Flywheel its really hard to say. I think both are really beneficial and enough to be felt. But during braking (which makes up a lot of time on a circuit track) definitely the Wheels being part of the unsprung weight will help better in terms of braking control and distance.

But lightened flywheel is cheaper and as such, its really hard to say which mod is better.

I'd probably choose lightened flywheel, intake and exhaust and some good suspension first, but if I had more money I think I'll go better tyres before buying better wheels... afterall the stock wheels aren't overly bad I suppose? Its a relatively measurement vs price... ummm :(

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Originally Posted by Chris_F

aaronng, I changed my flywheel with my 'heavy' rims and noticed a big difference. Changing to my lightweight rims (saving 1.5kg per corner) the difference really wasn't that noticeable and definitely nothing in comparsion fo the 4kg or so i saved on the flywheel. So id say there is every reason to change the flywheel even without aftermarket lightweight rims (not with heavy 19's or 20's of course) as the stock 16's and 17's wouldn't really damper the affects.

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Hehe, my idea of lightweight rims are forged rims, something at the level of CE28n which weigh about 6.27kg for 17x7.5". But yeah, I was mentioning about the rims because people tend to go for heavy 18" replicas first and then go for a lightweight flywheel further down the road when in reality, they are just restoring their stock performance. LOL

hey black cat how much lighter is a good lighter wheel compared to stock (including tyres). Does it impact similarly with changing to lighter flywheel? There is one very light and expensive wheel made from magnesium. Do you know what it is?

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Originally Posted by aaronng

Hehe, my idea of lightweight rims are forged rims, something at the level of CE28n which weigh about 6.27kg for 17x7.5". But yeah, I was mentioning about the rims because people tend to go for heavy 18" replicas first and then go for a lightweight flywheel further down the road when in reality, they are just restoring their stock performance. LOL

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haha, that rim is not only lightweight but THE lightest (non magnesium) rim available from volk in that size. But yea it's a good point, having lightweight rims and a lightweight flywheel will make the biggest difference. And like you said if someone just has to have those heavier 18"/19" rims they'll probably only be restoring the stock revability to the car, but even that makes it worthwhile.

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Originally Posted by curik

hey black cat how much lighter is a good lighter wheel compared to stock (including tyres). Does it impact similarly with changing to lighter flywheel? There is one very light and expensive wheel made from magnesium. Do you know what it is?

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You're probably thinking of the Volk TE37 mag

it depends on the size of the rim, you already have stock on the car, you may only save a kilo or two with a really lightweight 17" rim going from the 16" standard rim (but the added diametre more than likely negates the affect of the weight saving). Going from the 17" euro luxury/sport rims you may be looking at saving 2-3kg per wheel but not much more than that. But saving unsprung weight on the rims isn't like saving weight from the chassis, the affects are amplified.

Well Curik you got the looks and I don't yet :)

I honestly don't think the stock rims are too bad at all on my 2005 Lux, they look like they aren't that heavy...! which is bad - really bad - because its deterring me from upgrading my wheels! damn... I want some lightweight 18s badly!

the 05 lux rims are great, i can see why youd consider keeping them, i think i would

Chris - you aren't helping me settle on a decision lol - I really want some good new rims, lower it with a good package, and yeah - new, better tyres...

LUCKY U, got some good aftermarket gears running already.. :P

Damn, I shouldnt have bought these wheels

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Originally Posted by Omotesando

Chris - you aren't helping me settle on a decision lol - I really want some good new rims, lower it with a good package, and yeah - new, better tyres...

LUCKY U, got some good aftermarket gears running already.. :P

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haha, if i was in your position, I'd get some coilovers first and then the euroR lip kit - the 05 luxury rims ARE the euroR rims in a slightly lighter shade of silver.

But you aren't me lol, and 18" rims do still look good on a euro... what rims were you thinking of in particular?

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Originally Posted by curik

Damn, I shouldnt have bought these wheels

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your 19" profounds... why's that?

too heavy I assume?

Personally I'd be after coil overs, lightweight 17's & thicker rear anti-sway bar (just the next thickness up). Maybe a euroR lip kit if you want some body add ons. Engine wise I'd go Hondata stage 4 when released. When that was all done maybe a brake upgrade. Once all that was done you'd have 1 sweet ride visually and on the road (or track). That's my best mods for Euro. All mods have a purpose to improve ride and performance.

Pity I can't afford any of that now since we just bought a house :(. Better decision in the long run I'm sure though.