Liberty GT to Accord Euro

So albii, you didn't buy the last Wheels magazine did you by any chance, or did you test the max g's and braking distance yourself when you test drove these cars. :o What is it about this forum?

Anyway, the Gen4 (current gen) libs came out with a relatively low stiffness rear sway bar, for safety reasons I assume, and probably comfort. Upgrading this to a whiteline version virtually eliminates this and changes the car drammatically. Also the 2.5i is softer sprung than the Euro and doesn't have double wishbone front suspension as per the Euro.

BUT! given the fact that the front wheels have lost traction during each of my Euro test drives, I will wait until some very wet weather for another test drive. Through the Adelaide hills on a winters day should prove interesting. The Lib has never placed a wheel wrong or lost traction in any way in any weather - even when pushed hard in the wet and especially when accelerating hard out of a wet corner. Hell I got front wheel spin accelerating out of a dry corner in the Euro last week! Bit of aconcern actually....

Albii did you test drive the manual or auto 2.5i ? The auto is much slower - bit of a Subaru thing!

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Originally Posted by splashalot2000

Can an '06 manual Euro owner confirm this please?

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I'm not aware of it, but that doesn't mean to say it hasn't happened.

The Euro electronic throttle takes a little getting used to -- I can't drive it like I do other cars without an electronic throttle. You have to be prepared to put your foot down more than what you think you should. I remember reading Honda's material about the car, and they say that the throttle input varies with speed -- which means that at low speeds you need to sink the boot a bit more.

Personally, I don't think it's all in the electronic throttle -- I think part of the problem is a very low down lack of torque which requires revs to get past it.

I didn't bother driving a Liberty because they didn't offer a manual with leather seats and I couldn't afford a GT -- plus I think the Euro is nicer.

And while the Euro gearbox is nice, I think the Mazda6 box is much better. The new Mazda6 electronic throttle actually doesn't feel or drive differently to other throttles -- it's pretty good. I still think the Mazda6 is a nice car -- I just like the Euro more.

The other thing to bear in mind is that when a lot of people test drive cars, they drive them harder than they do in a lot of normal driving, looking for weak spots. Every car drives differently: you don't have time to find the intricacies and the balance points of the car, what it can and can't do -- that comes with time and familiarity. If you're used to an all-wheel drive car, a front-driver will feel strange -- it doesn't handle in the same way. It's why so many people get out of their Falcadore and say "Shit front wheel drive" because they're trying to drive them like a RWD -- it just doesn't work.

Personally, I think they're all pretty nice cars -- and all the comparison reviews all say you can't go wrong with any of them. It's just a matter of sorting out what works best for you.

Shane, in wet weather the Liberty will handle better because it's AWD. If it didn't I'd be worried.

Just stick to your liberty since you have things you find in the Euro that isn't up to scratch....

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Originally Posted by shane

*ANNOYED*

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Boy oh boy. Shane you are such a fusspot. You other guys are being so nice. How can you restrain yourselves. Shane yousaid you had harder suspension and differnet roll bars so thats pretty unfair to then complain about a bit of wheelspin :(

shane...isnt there a liberty forum you can go to and proclaim how awesome your car is??...mmm wheelspin probs hey...last time i checked the wheels didnt spin in my euro because of the vsa....or maybe the one you drove didnt have it lol...
yes i test drove the 2.5i manual up and down hills and it wasnt a very exiting car let me tell you...
that being said i definately would not say it was a shitbox because it was just as refined as the euro was but the gearshift was not as good and the power was non existant.....even the mazda 6 would rape it..
imo..subaru built a fine but boring car with the liberty...
dont come here on this forum and try to convince us all that your liberty 2.5i is a better car than the euro because if anyone shared your opinion they would have just bought it instaed of the euro..that easy....
if you wanna trade your boring liberty for a car that will outhandle ,outpace,outdrive it then you best go do it before you lose too much on your trade in.

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Originally Posted by shane

So albii, you didn't buy the last Wheels magazine did you by any chance, or did you test the max g's and braking distance yourself when you test drove these cars. :o What is it about this forum?

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no shane i dont have the equipment to measure max gs and braking distance....but what i do have is equipment to measure dickheads and wankers..works well too. :wave:

is that better socheerio?

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Originally Posted by shane

... When taking my foot off of the accelerator, the Euro would immediatley engine brake much more than the 2.5i at equivalent revs. Then when putting my foot back on the accelerator - *no matter how gently* - the car would jerk forward.

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If you prefer sporty driving, that's actually a good thing, since it offers more precise control over the car's acceleration and deceleration. You should try driving a race car! Having said that, the Euro can be driven very smoothly after you get used to it (depending on how sensitive of a driver you are), as somebody else already said.

Honda all the way!

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Originally Posted by Datuk

Honda all the way!

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Datuk pun ada :thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by shane

I own a 2.5i Liberty Manual. I test drove the Euro twice before deciding on the Liberty. What I disliked about the Euro was

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We're all very happy for you. You can't imagine how happy we all are that you are not a Euro owner.

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6. Seats hurt my arse badly - twice. Couldn't explain it! Probably just me.

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It's definitely you. I think you're blaming the seats for what you got up to the night before.