driving a manual - what and what not to do

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Originally Posted by |N|

for situation like this... i rev match into 1st gear. for those that has been in car my when i do that will know that there has neva been any single crunch on my downshift. and i think its alot better in emergency situation or b4 taking turns... as u want to minimise the period of time car not full in gear. rev match is the best option

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If by rev-matching you are talking about simply matching the expected engine speed in the new gear with some throttle then your solution is idiotic for two reasons. If not, just for one.

a) Doing this is not saving your syncro's, nor making their job any easier. You are matching engine speed, not input shaft speed, which is needed to get into first gear at speed in tired gearboxes.
b) A double clutch into first executed by anyone with half a brain can be done before you can say who's ya daddy.

You havn't had any crunches because either

a) You don't drive as hardcore as you think you do
b) Your gearbox is better than everyone elses
c) All of the above

Good day.

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Originally Posted by string

If by rev-matching you are talking about simply matching the expected engine speed in the new gear with some throttle then your solution is idiotic for two reasons. If not, just for one.

a) Doing this is not saving your syncro's, nor making their job any easier. You are matching engine speed, not input shaft speed, which is needed to get into first gear at speed in tired gearboxes.
b) A double clutch into first executed by anyone with half a brain can be done before you can say who's ya daddy.

You havn't had any crunches because either

a) You don't drive as hardcore as you think you do
b) Your gearbox is better than everyone elses
c) All of the above

Good day.

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Originally Posted by string

If by rev-matching you are talking about simply matching the expected engine speed in the new gear with some throttle then your solution is idiotic for two reasons. If not, just for one.

a) Doing this is not saving your syncro's, nor making their job any easier. You are matching engine speed, not input shaft speed, which is needed to get into first gear at speed in tired gearboxes.
b) A double clutch into first executed by anyone with half a brain can be done before you can say who's ya daddy.

You havn't had any crunches because either

a) You don't drive as hardcore as you think you do
b) Your gearbox is better than everyone elses
c) All of the above

Good day.

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You my friend, need a fcukn root!

































That is all!

everyone has their different styles, techniques adn ideas about whats right and wrong, if your really concerned best thing to do is to get a driving instructor to talk tyou through it whilst u drive, its hard to listen to be people left right and centre and remember it whilst your on the road! my 2c

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Originally Posted by string

If by rev-matching you are talking about simply matching the expected engine speed in the new gear with some throttle then your solution is idiotic for two reasons. If not, just for one.

a) Doing this is not saving your syncro's, nor making their job any easier. You are matching engine speed, not input shaft speed, which is needed to get into first gear at speed in tired gearboxes.
b) A double clutch into first executed by anyone with half a brain can be done before you can say who's ya daddy.

You havn't had any crunches because either

a) You don't drive as hardcore as you think you do
b) Your gearbox is better than everyone elses
c) All of the above

Good day.

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a) yes i dun ... i dun hoon on the street as much as u
b) thats a good point... yea a stock d16y4 Gbox is better then most other gbox... good one.
c) u really need a root. for calling someone an idiot for posting their personally driving behaviour.
d) IMO i dun think double clutching can down shift quicker then heal and toe.



that is all

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Originally Posted by Mr_will

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do u know how to drive?
or just simply agreeing with someone?

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Originally Posted by string

If by rev-matching you are talking about simply matching the expected engine speed in the new gear with some throttle then your solution is idiotic for two reasons. If not, just for one.

a) Doing this is not saving your syncro's, nor making their job any easier. You are matching engine speed, not input shaft speed, which is needed to get into first gear at speed in tired gearboxes.
b) A double clutch into first executed by anyone with half a brain can be done before you can say who's ya daddy.

You havn't had any crunches because either

a) You don't drive as hardcore as you think you do
b) Your gearbox is better than everyone elses
c) All of the above

Good day.

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Not every gearbox needs to be double-clutched into 1st. Granted it will wear the synchros if only a rev match is used, but because 1st gear synchros are used less than the other gears, you won't notice the wear by the time your gearbox needs a recon. When you are stopped and go into 1st, the RPM change is only from 700 to 0rpm. Contrast that to the 2nd gear and 3rd gear synchros where the RPM change is from 3000 to 1500rpm. Plus, you usually shift between 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th gears more often than the 1st gear.

If you have a gearbox that can't get into first, it is usually a symptom of a problem other than the synchros. Synchro wear only shows up in 2nd and 3rd gears unless you track the car alot and downshift into 1st all the time. On the street, the number of times you downshift into 1st is not enough to totally wear out the synchros to the point where it needs a replacement.

Take a chill pill... No one is attacking you. Why do you want to attack them first? Just tell them your driving/shifting style, advantages and disadvanges. Then it is up to them to decide if they want to follow it.

hmm...

i wouldn't argue with douchebags...esp. on internet forums...

it just encourages them to reply with 'hardc0r3' reply postings...

there's a reason why they post stuff like that, they crave the attention they never receive in real life :wave:

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Originally Posted by Mr_will

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This is a noob forum for info. Not the lounge... No spam pls!

I'm just curious. What is the technical advantage of double clutching over just blipping when you have the clutch fully down? What is the practical purpose of being in neutral with the clutch fully depressed when you blip?

Reason I ask is because occasionaly I have a lazy downshift and just blip with the clutch fully down with the stick in neutral (as per the double clutching habbit), but don't actually allow neatural to be engaged (release the clutch) before blipping and then later shifting (the second "clutching"). - And I find this still rev-matches fine and still eliminates the drivetrain jolts associated with the absense of rev-matching.

This IS a noob section so all answers and comments should be written with that in mind. You don't see teachers insulting the intelligence of their students if they misunderstand something, do you?

Personally I don't shift down to 1st, unless I'm almost stopped, or stopped. I usually use 2nd gear for corners...unless I'm going fast, and know i can get around in 3rd....

I usually brake before corner change into 2nd turn corner - with a bit of throttle, and then start accelerating.

anyway keep practicing what works for you.