Printable View
wakefield is proabably : 45% skill and 55% experience..
A stock r with stock brakes and stock tyres should be able to get 1:15.. and 1:14 for pro without an issue...
Pro's go out and get the line/braking right after like 1 session.. takes us mortals about 20 + track sessions to get the line/brake of what a pro can do in 1.
probably know who u talking about.....he's an instructor?? with that time, probably can only say someone with a bit more experience under their beltQuote:
Originally Posted by EKNR33
guys the ITR is built for track like atmospheres but so is the s2k.
think of the reality
the f20c is the most powerful 2.0l n/a ever made and its up againt a 1.8l fwd
do the maths guys
the s2k weighs abit more but the cornering capabilites of it is unbelievable
i have driven type r's and comparing it to a s2k the s2k sticks like a go kart.
that 50/50 weightdistribution is amazing as well.
itr revs out a little quicker btu the power that comes from a f20c around corners there is no way in the world a ITR can beat it.
as a A-class car its been specifically built for track and has given up luxuries to give the drivcer the feel of a f1 driver.
the ITr is a C or D class type car...
i know there is alot of ITR owners out there but compared to the S2K it cant be beat in a straight or even on corners.
if youve been in one or driven one youll know
Quote:
Originally Posted by integrity
Peak power isnt everything. From what ive seen a DC2R and a S2K are very similar in straight line performance and cornering speed. Perhaps the DC2R , being a FWD is more fool proof tho. I believe yes , in the right hands the S2K is a quicker car. A S2K has more luxuries than a DC2R IMO ;)
dude the S2k doesnt even have a clock
S2k were built intiatially as a track car
the reason for the digital sppedo is to give the driver the feel of a f1 racer.
S2k is in the classes with the NSX
comparing it to a type r is pointless
like i said there are many type r owners here and their rides are both nice and handle well
but comparing it to a car purely built for track with the most powerfu 2 litre motor ever produced is pointless...
straight or cornering you cant beat the s2k .....
there might as well be a thread ITR vs NSX
all 3 are great cars in their classes ~ but this is a comparison from a ITR to a S2k. As I said above and others have said , in the right hands a S2k will be quicker but it will be a much harder car to achieve good recults from on the limit. So , to answer the original question YES , a S2k with a good driver will out perform a DC2 ITR on the track :)
the comparison is made as both drivers as equals
bood driver bad driver matters
what this is becoming now is like
tsuchiya driving a dual carb civic against a 12 year old behind the wheels of a NSX...
the poll should be car on car
driver matters of course but in this case its motor on motor
This was the original question...Quote:
Originally Posted by integrity
The only thing which is the decider , is the driver yup. As i said again above , the same driver in both cars willl either make the ITR faster or the S2k faster around wakefield.Quote:
s2k vs type r @ wakefield
My mate and I are arguing over which will win?
stock vs stock.
compare any type r model to an 00 model s2k.
This is becuase the ITR (both DC2R and DC5R) are an easier car to get better results out of. If you or anyone wants to discuss any other makes or questions feel free to search and find a similar topic or make a new one :)
S2000 was not built as a track car. It was built as a roadster whereby they wanted the same chassis stiffness as a coupe. The interior of the S2000 has too much luxury for a track car. Stock suspension is too soft as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by integrity
the s2k is the most basic car ever made
the only thing that ois different is the roof
it does not have a clock a glove box or even a cigarette lgither
it was solidly built for track
then it must be the only track car with AC and power steeringQuote:
Originally Posted by integrity
Show me a track car that is a convertible! A convertible has less stiffness than a coupe for the same weight. So ALL track cars are coupes.Quote:
Originally Posted by integrity
BTW, the M3 CSL is a track car, and that has a glovebox, cigarette lighter and a clock. So the omission of those 3 items does not make it a track car.
A track car is a car where street driving comfort is sacrificed for handling. Hence the DC2R and DC5R which most motoring magazines dislike because it is not comfortable, the M3 CSL where all the comforts are ripped out for weight reduction (including the roof, which is replaced with a CF one)... and the Lotus Elise (the older ones) where there was not even interior carpet nor an adjustable seat to reduce weight.