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well i find that when i go from 4th to 3rd, sometimes and i make sure to slowly let out the clutch it dosent jerk really.The problem im having is going from 4th to 2nd because it seems no matter how much gas i give ,it always has plenty of engine braking ? now im not sure whether or not thats down to the speed im going at the time of changing what do you guys think ?
what speed are you at when you're in 4th gear ?
try doing the same speed in 2nd gear.. does your engine sound like it's working ?
It all depends on the speed you are travelling at, at the time and what gear you are in. In certain cases, as you said aaronng, you don't need to blip the throttle but at other times, you do. It's hard to say when and where you need to. As time goes by and with practice, you will basically know how much you need to blip your throttle. It becomes a norm when you do it often enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
I'll second this. Once your doing the same speed in second as you were doing in fourth, check how many revs your doing. Next time you need to do a 4th to 2nd shift those are the revs you've got make you're engine match by the time your letting your clutch out. Despite what others might say about you being to inexperienced in your manual driving to be learning these skills, sooner or later you should try to perfect this, because it does help when you need to overtake some slomofo:pQuote:
Originally Posted by tRipitaka
If you are rev matching, you should let your clutch out at the same speed as you press it in.Quote:
Originally Posted by anfz
What speed are you at when you are shifting from 4th to 2nd?
Hey guys I rekon im at about 50 kms when changing from 4th to 2nd,and what i have found is to get a really smooth change over from 4th to 2nd i have to give heaps of revs maybe at least 5rpm to match it out, now im guessing what im doing wrong is being at a high speed still while wanting to change from 4th to 2nd ? also say you guys are in 4th cruising at like 80km and theres a corner coming up do you change it into 3rd gear than as the corner is near 2nd ? or you cruise along and keep it in 4th till you really close to the corner than pop it into 2nd gear ? cause i find i rarley need 2nd gear in corners, Im mostly taking them in 3rd gear because of the whole engine breaking thing at the moment that im struggling with.Not to mention also when you upshift say from a standstill 1-2-3-4 do you keep your foot on the clutch and give gas as soon as you feel your off that friction point or you completely move your foot off clutch while giving gas ? sorry guys about all the questions just trying to perfect my driving, so i know im doing the right thing thanks
btw double clutching can be faster
try shifting into first at high RPM without double clutching and u'll get wat i mean (for tight hairpins etc)
Be sane and try not to do pro stuff like the above haha... smooth out how you drive a manual "Normally" before doing pro stuff like all these Trackday Warriors =P
^Ditto!
I said it before in this thread, learn to drive normally and smoothly before learning all these extra techniques, which arent needed in daily driving.
You can learn these additional skills once you have the basics down well.
Whoops!
Sorry Q didn't mean to take your line man, I thought you were going to call my post for newbies blah blah blah...
Almost smoothed out the basics hehe, then you guys can teach me teh Trackday Warrior stuff haha
If you are at 50km/h and shifting from 4th to 2nd, then blip your throttle so it reaches 5000-5500rpm. Yes, that high. That should be the proper RPM for 2nd gear at 50km/h.Quote:
Originally Posted by anfz
When the corner is coming up and I am in 4th, I shift to 3rd BEFORE the corner comes. I do the usual clutch in, shift to 3rd and blip throttle, release clutch and then foot back on accelerator. Usually the corner can be taken in 3rd gear. If it is a very slow corner (I notice only corners that are more than a 90º turn will need 2nd gear), then I downshift once more, in exactly the same way. Press clutch in, shift to 2nd and blip throttle and release clutch. I don't usually shift 4th to 2nd because the RPM gap is huge that you have to blip the throttle pretty hard and it's not easy to get it spot on.
For upshift, press clutch in, shift from 1st to 2nd, release clutch and press accelerator at around the bite point in one fluid motion. So as your left foot comes up, press your right foot down. Sometimes I release my clutch fully before I press the accelerator, but it is more difficult to get it smooth this way because of the flywheel decellerating faster than the transmission.
I also found that after you learn the principals, which you seem to know, that it was easier to go out for a drive by yourself and just practice, because i found it quite stressful with passengers and especially in other peoples cars!