have you got replacement shocks? or are you just wasting space?Quote:
Originally Posted by snowman95
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have you got replacement shocks? or are you just wasting space?Quote:
Originally Posted by snowman95
Why is it that 'other mods' always seem to take precedent over safety. It's a pretty stupid attitude to have and this isn't directed at you personally snowman, but there are so many idiots out there more concerned with everything (looks) other than safety.Quote:
Originally Posted by snowman95
Bottom line is, lowered springs are cheap. K-mac charges like $130 a pair. If you can't afford a basic thing like that, you can't afford to do other mods to increase your performance.
I just get so sick of people trying to make their cars go faster, but then go budget on the things that really matter like brakes and suspension. Set your car up right in these areas, and you will be able to go faster and you can do it safely.
Thanks to snowman from Team-Integra
Let's look as several of the more popular folk tales about springs:
Myth #1) "If you cut your springs, you will die a horrible and disfiguring death."
There are so many choices for aftermarket springs nowdays, that it just makes better sense to replace your springs rather than to cut your OE ones. But cutting springs does work. If it's done correctly, it lowers the car, stiffens the springs, and doesn't cost you much. Back in the late '70's/early '80's ( the dark ages of auto enthusiasm ), high performance parts for many cars didn't exist. Many Solo II Prepared and Street Prepared cars ran on cut springs. I won the 1984 Pro Solo series in a Ford Fiesta with cut springs.
The down side of cut springs is that you are gambling on your results. Even done correctly, you get inconsistent ride heights and unknown spring rates. Unequal spring rates give unpredictable handling. Cut springs have been known to break, usually at a critical time. See myth #2 below for further problems with cutting springs.
As I said earlier, quality aftermarket springs are a better choice. You get a known vehicle drop for all four corners, you get consistent spring rates. If you are unsure of the spring rates you want, there are numerous packages that offer safe, predictable improvements in handling at a reasonable price.
Myth #2) "Cutting a spring makes the spring softer."
I hear this one a lot. Actually, the opposite is true. Three things determine a spring's rate: wire diameter ( to the 4th power, the biggest factor), coil diameter (to the 3rd power), and number of coils (to the first power). As wire diameter increases, spring rates go up. As coil diameter and number of coils increase, spring rates go down. Cutting a spring does not change the wire diameter or the coil diameter. It does, however, reduce the number of coils, which slightly increases the spring rate.
The problem lies in the fact that the spring looses height at a faster rate than it gains rate. This means that you dropped the car farther than the spring has ability to control. A lower spring needs to be stiffer to keep the suspension from bottoming out. If the suspension bottoms out in a turn, the spring rate in that corner jumps to infinity, and that corner looses traction - suddenly. If it bottoms out in a bump, things usually start to break.
A spring that was cut too low can also bottom out on itself, where the coils actually end up hitting each other. This usually causes the spring to break, also resulting in unpleasant consequences.
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Originally Posted by Jus-10
well to be honest i wasnt into the modifying scene at all before i bought my car, i went into the purchase knowing that the car had a few issues, but for the price I got it and the quality of the engine I could live with it for awhile, but as a noob i got pretty much swept up in the wave that is car modifying and to be honest, springs were the last thing to come to mind when deciding on "my first mod".
As ive learnt more and more from forums such as this and other people i have begun to understand the need for quality parts in regards to components related to safety and modifying is not just all about go fast look bling lowered to the deck fast and the furious crap.
The other thing is I dont want to just buy stuff because other people say its "wicked" everytime i buy something i want to know what im putting on the car and how it will effect it, im here to learn not here to look like a stunna. So with that in the air, ive already locked my money into other areas at the moment, and being that im not rich, i cant afford to do multiple things...
yes kmac springs are cheap at $130 per corner, but being that i would also want to get a professional to install them i would be looking at about $600.... and thats ASSUMING i want to get some cheap springs...i mean what are the spring rates? drop? will they sag? linear or progressive? you have to realise that yes some people have their priorites wrong but also there are some of us out there that are still learning.
(sorry if this doesnt make sense, im at work and ive got a meeting to get to ;) :P )
It makes sense, and I see where you are coming from and as I said I wasn't picking on you personally or anything like that....I guess I have just already learned the hard way and I like to see my fellow enthusiasts driving safe cars so they can get the maximum enjoyment out of the car without putting themselves and other drivers at risk....
It sounds like you have got the right idea going for quality rather than simply trying to cut corners, which is always goood to see!
Good stuff ;)
thanks man
and on that note, now i gotta save for my Eibach springs and Koni Red adjustables....
:p
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Originally Posted by snowman95
...but i think the spring rate increases more then the height decreases...
lol guess what, seems my mechanic has no idea... after this discussion on ozhonda, i left work early and went to my local suspension shop for them to quote me on some springs...they hoist my car... and find
some H&R or Eibach progressive springs... lol
i love this car.
ROFL!! funniest thing ever!!!
Lucky you!