Geneva International Motor Show - New Accord

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Originally Posted by IVTECS4

I just read the Herald Sun's latest car guide today and it has a feature on the new euro . The new Euro is coming out with the slighter more powerful
K24A 2.4 i-VTEC engine which now has 150kw - wonder what the torque output would be? The wagon is still in negotiation , and the pricks have no plan to bring the new i-DTEC Diesel engine over here - shame

It's also got all these safety gizmos (Luxury only or both ?) like adaptive cruise control , lane departure thingo (?) and a stability control system that works with the steering...

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Torque increases from 223 to 233Nm.

With the large wheel arches and small wheels it looks misproportioned like the previous series Camry.

The rear and front sports bumper is way to busy and im guessing will be toned down. I dont like the chrome grill WTF is it with honda and chrome?

Id prefer the Turbo Diesel as an extra 7kw will mean sweet FA if its heavier and it will be. Rowing a barge with an extra 7kw sounds like a PITA.

Love to mod a turbo D tho.

Ill probably give this one a miss as im up for a new lease and will probably get a s2000 or the like.

If I were to get the Euro, I would want a the 3.5 V6...... else I probably keep mine for like 10 years, then get a BMW

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Originally Posted by tony1234

Torque increases from 223 to 233Nm.

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Which interestingly is almost the same figure as a 2003 TSX (232Nm). I reckon all they are doing is putting in higher compression and a similar ECU map to the old TSX.

the back bumper of the sports kinda reminds me of a bmw, so rigid its nice. but having an exhaust like that.... a little peee hole is so dissapointing.

http://jalopnik.com/assets/images/ga...eb0aabea_o.jpg

is it just me or are they some seriously sexy stock wheels!??!

:thumbsup: congradulations honda! the entire accord sport range should have them, very nice

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Originally Posted by aaronng

Which interestingly is almost the same figure as a 2003 TSX (232Nm). I reckon all they are doing is putting in higher compression and a similar ECU map to the old TSX.

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didnt 06-07 tsx have slighty more aggressive intake cam?

haha i really doubt those 10 spoke rims are stock honda ones.

the wagon looks good (for a wagon), way better than the CL8 monstrosity lol

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Originally Posted by EUR003act

didnt 06-07 tsx have slighty more aggressive intake cam?

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Yes, and largger valves. But that makes more than 147kW. So here we are in 2008 and we are only beginning to match the 2003 TSX

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Originally Posted by r-r-redEuro

the back bumper of the sports kinda reminds me of a bmw, so rigid its nice. but having an exhaust like that.... a little peee hole is so dissapointing.

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Don't worry so much unless you want a Diesel. The single little "peee hole" exhaust to which you refer is typically what's fitted to the Diesel cars. The 2.4L petrol car will have large dual exhausts. I have seen pictures of a blue wagon at Geneva with dual exhausts and as well the earlier spy photos of semi-disguised Acura TSX variant that had the dual exhaust.

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Originally Posted by aaronng

Yes, and largger valves. But that makes more than 147kW. So here we are in 2008 and we are only beginning to match the 2003 TSX

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Yes it doesn't make sense. Apart from a dearth of useful torque, if the S2000 2.0L engine can work at 176kW why shouldn't the 2.4L work at closer to 211kW? 200kW would be a good compromise. I'd accept that. Come on Honda, where's all your fancy technology?

The various motoring website are reporting the power of the 2.4L as 200PS which is the German unit for horsepower. 200PS = 147.1kW from an online converter at http://www.mr2ownersclub.com/converter.htm

The following explanation is from Wikipedia (so it must be absolutely true right?). It also reminds us all what "DIN" means but in case you did not know SAE is the Society of Automotive Engineers (Originally Society of Automobile Engineers - from the USA):

PS

This unit (German: Pferdestärke = horse strength) is no longer a statutory unit, but is still commonly used in Europe, South America and Japan, especially by the automotive and motorcycle industry. It was adopted throughout continental Europe with designations equivalent to the English "horsepower", but mathematically different from the British unit. It is defined by the Physikalisch-Technische Bundesanstalt (PTB)[1] in Braunschweig as exactly:

1 PS = 75 kp·m/s = 0.73549875 kW = 0.9863201652997627 hp (SAE)

The PS was adopted by the Deutsches Institut für Normung (DIN) and then by the automotive industry throughout most of Europe, under varying names. In 1992, the PS was rendered obsolete by EEC directives, when it was replaced by the kilowatt as the official power measuring unit. It remained in use for commercial and advertising purposes, as customers were not familiar with the use of kilowatts for combustion engines.

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Originally Posted by SPQR

Yes it doesn't make sense. Apart from a dearth of useful torque, if the S2000 2.0L engine can work at 176kW why shouldn't the 2.4L work at closer to 211kW? 200kW would be a good compromise. I'd accept that. Come on Honda, where's all your fancy technology?

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This is a totally different matter. It's very difficult to get the k24a to make 176kW at the price they are selling the Euro, let alone 211kW. Why? Because of the high RPM the engine would have to spin at and the long stroke, thus requiring stronger internals. It would be better if Honda just made a FWD version of the F22C and gearbox and put that into the Euro (or make a k22a)