BLOWN UP B16a

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Originally Posted by Mr_will

man you are being kinda silly. of course he hasnt tried every builder in the country. its like me saying 'man that was the best pizza ever'. i havent eaten every pizza ever. and just like i have done with the pizza, the people here have taken there experience with a variety of local builders and extrapolated.

the simple fact is there isnt the same market in australia as there is in america or japan. smaller market means less competition, means less incentive to improve quality and/or drop prices. our market is not as competitive or as developed, so not only do firms not have the incentive, they often dont have the experience. there are places in america that would churn out 5X the output of the builders here, simply because thats the volume thats demanded in other countries.

i agree with ben, and i disagree with you

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lol

good boy

you show him darling :p

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Originally Posted by Bludger

lol

good boy

you show him darling :p

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well i am "a glorious beacon of light" after all :p

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Originally Posted by Mr_will

man you are being kinda silly. of course he hasnt tried every builder in the country. its like me saying 'man that was the best pizza ever'. i havent eaten every pizza ever. and just like i have done with the pizza, the people here have taken there experience with a variety of local builders and extrapolated.

the simple fact is there isnt the same market in australia as there is in america or japan. smaller market means less competition, means less incentive to improve quality and/or drop prices. our market is not as competitive or as developed, so not only do firms not have the incentive, they often dont have the experience. there are places in america that would churn out 5X the output of the builders here, simply because thats the volume thats demanded in other countries.

i agree with ben, and i disagree with you

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lol, ok well done for disagreeing with me

yes of course there isnt as much competition or industry here as other countries, which means ther wont be as much experienced builders here as ther will be in other places

all im saying, is that there is no way that the only way to get ur engine built to a high enough standard, is to go to the US or japan

it can be done here, its more difficult yes, but i refuse to believe that ther is NO ONE in the country qaulified or capable of doing it

sure i didnt put it in the best possible way, i just re-phrased ben's post, if he can generalise, then i can make a sarcastic reply

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Originally Posted by Bludger

lol

good boy

you show him darling :p

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bau, do u seriously think u can learn and actually build an engine better than all others in australia?

its that kind of attitude that i dont get, y do u guys have such little confidence in the local workshops?

of course u have to be extremly suspicous and careful, but that doesnt mean u dismiss the whole local industry as useless and inferior

im sure ther are heaps of ppl that are very satisfied with local work, honda engines, nissans, holdens, fords, etc

all we hear about is the ones that go wrong.....just try to be more open, thats all

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Originally Posted by bennjamin

guys this is venturing off topic ~ my point is that other countries have more workshops and more experience than here in Oz. Problem is i have "heard" much more bad experiences than good ones stemming from local builders. This includes performance workshops and normal honda mechanics alike.
I would not let anyone in Australia rebuild my engine. Thats just my opinion so dont take it hot to heart. There are many good mechanics around Oz but unfortunately the minority ruin it for the rest of us.

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fair enough ben

again as i stated above, i completley agree, the industry here is tiny compared to the US and japan, so logicilly that means ther will be less skilled builders

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Originally Posted by krogoth

bau, do u seriously think u can learn and actually build an engine better than all others in australia?

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lmao

I didn't say that

I said, I don't trust anyone to build an engine for me.

I said i only trust myself

and if my engine breaks, i only have myself to blame

don't put words in my mouth

lol

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Originally Posted by Bludger

lmao

I didn't say that

I said, I don't trust anyone to build an engine for me.

I said i only trust myself

and if my engine breaks, i only have myself to blame

don't put words in my mouth

lol

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looks like you'll be spending big bucks when you decide to rebuild you own motor.

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Originally Posted by fatboyz39

looks like you'll be spending big bucks when you decide to rebuild you own motor.

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we'll just have to wait and see aye?

lol

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/h...dDirection.jpg

i agree our engine builders are behind in technology and in 3/4 of cases ability too.alot of engine building comes down to who taught you how to do it,the only way to get better is someone to learn something and teach it to someone else.japan has been building honda engines forever,we are still quite young at it.for example a japanese builder may know of 4 tests to perform on a bearing while installing,while through no fault of their own an australian builder may only have 2 tests for a bearing in his knowledge,thats just how it is.

we do have some exellent builders though,you really need to be quite anal about it to do a good job.

do not discount the fact that alot of the time parts let the build down and not the builder

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Originally Posted by fatboyz39

looks like you'll be spending big bucks when you decide to rebuild you own motor.

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Not too different to giving someone else your money so they can do some guess work on your motor.

I've seen people pour tons of money into their motor only to get poor results.
I can't help but feel this happens more OFTEN THAN NOT.
No stranger to this myself =\

So please excuse some of us if we generalise Aus engine builders.
Not trying to insult any builders out there but because the demand for built engines is low, so is the supply for quality parts, skills and experience. (Compared to Japan&USA).

Honda build awesome motors, so I'd imagine it wouldn't be hard to go backwards from OEM.

I think it boils down to cost vs gain. Too much cost too little gain.

Also some builders think they know everything and are reluctant to consider new ideas, methods or parts/brands.

Example: A major tuning shop in Japan does certain things to a head which increase the motors' ability to EFFIECENTLY produce power. They've built hundreds of motors using this method and have proven to make 450ps+.
But some insist it's merely a gimmick, among many other things available in the performance field today.

Unless they've specifically built that motor many times and have had consistant results, then I wouldn't question their parts list/build method.
But such a thing is a rarity in Australia (my opinion, please prove me wrong).

On the other hand, tuning shops in Japan build 10's, 100's if not 1000 of the same motor. Simply because there is a demand for them. Not just locally but internationally.


But who are we as customers to argue....it's not like we know anything about building motors.
If we did, we'd be doing it ourselfs, right?

awesome thread. diy for the win...

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Originally Posted by EGJOE

Ha,ha

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Originally Posted by EGJOE

I have the remains of the valves one is snaped result from the collars coming off, the valve then fell into the bore smashing piston into bits. the conrods and pins all fine, whole bottom end rotating fine as well as bearings all good. Quite possible valve float and piston hit it, cause the retainer was cracked in the process.
EGJOE

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It's funny how this has turned into some sort of shit slinging match aimed at local engine builders if not the whole industry...
(With no offence intended, LOL… Yeah right.)
To his credit, ECU-Man was the only one who picked up on the real cause of this engine failure... Prior to it being actually stated…
The devil is in the detail.
In any case, I agree, it's a shame that Joe's motor blew...
Though He seems to be ok with it & doesn’t appear to suicidal or anything…
What's a bigger shame is how some of you have extrapolated this into how the local industry is inept & without ability, insight or experience.
Back to the usual; Blame the tuner or builder.
No one ever wants to face the reality of the loose nut between the steering wheel & the seat...
But the tone of this thread is bordering on ridiculous…
The owner not only admits fault of over rev, but indicates the component failure (root cause) that initiated the catastrophic engine failure.
Joe's original post was just informative…
Look what I did… This is why… Oops… Maybe someone else can learn from my mistakes too…
Fair comment really…

well said adrian :thumbsup: