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John's complaint isn't aimed at the cops, its aimed at maybe the RTA for the fact that full licenced drivers get 12 points, which means alot more leniancy, and P platers with less experience get 4 points, an immediate suspension for an offence that a full licenced driver probly wouldn't even get pullled over for (driving 5k's over the limit)
yeah what he said, i didn't say anything about cops, just how the media blows P platers out of proportion all the time
you can appeal the red lights in court i did.. i think i ran about 6 red lights with a few cameras when i was driving my then gf at the time to the hospital.. also on red p's took the fines to court and explained the situation.. told me to call an ambulance next time and let me off lolQuote:
Originally Posted by itshk
Do realise how lame you sound.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnprocter
The reason why so many p platers loose their licenses is because they get behind the wheel and leave themselves open to get picked on by the cops for doin stupid shit.
I have both my car and bike liscences and sat both test seperatley and past first attempts. Have not lost my license or points. The only person responsable to losing there license is the person behind the wheel.
I have 2 friends who drive heavily modified 180sx. They both have lost their licences for doing stupid shit like speeding and drifting on public roads.
My point is if your going to do stupid crap then its your own fault if you get caught.
Race and speed on a track not on the road... if not don't whinge about losing points or your liscense
I think people should try and not compare P platers to full licensed drivers, full licensed drivers have 12 demerits because they've EARNED it.
It might have been easier before but in this day and age, you EARN your points by driving and obeying the law, not disregarding it.
I'm a P-plater myself and I just got busted for speeding twice in the same night, except I got off on a warning. Was he targeting me because I have my P's? No I doubt it, he was probably targeting me because I was speeding like an idiot even if it was just to the petrol station 30 seconds from my house.
I learnt my lesson and I'm thanking my lucky stars that I didn't get an instant 3 months suspension + 7 demerits + $900 fine. I honestly think that I deserved to be suspended, but I definately won't be speeding on the streets anymore where I could endanger other people.
If you speed, you deserve what's coming to you. If you're a P-plater, quit saying it's not fair compared to full licensed drivers, they've earned the right to have 12 demerits by obeying the law (or at least not getting caught) for that long. If you want your 12 points, obey the law and drive safely, then you'll have earned it when you get your full license in the 3 odd years of P plates.
you bring up good points so i wont argue especially the part where full licensed drivers earn their points, unlike some of other dropkicks in the threadQuote:
Originally Posted by geeang
thats quite harsh but i know where your coming from.. but you also need to factor that all p platers arent the image that the media portrays.. ive seen some pretty ghstaly driving done by full licence people.. been cut off almost hit.. yet im the one to blame cos i brandish p platers.. the world jsut needs to be more accepting you CANNOT stereotype that all p platers are street racesr and immature drivers.. or that all full licence drivers are legal drivers.. but i do agree.. ive seen some pretty bad p plater drivers as well.. sigh.. we all cop the blame for other peopels mistakes..Quote:
Originally Posted by Nepolian
POW some one buy this man a beerQuote:
Originally Posted by rayb3na_
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Originally Posted by rayb3na_
Mate, I agree! There are horrible drivers out there who have never been infringed for anything in their life!
Point I'm trying to make is, yes you are under the spotlight when you're a "P" plater.
Thats life, just like the new guy at work or the new mechanic apprentice who was sent to get a "long weight" for a carby and stands at the parts shop register for 2 hours whilst the bosses are laughing and he relises what is happening.
Bad drivers always give the rest a bad name. Unfortunately the restrictions on "P" platers are quite valid from my point of view. If you're ganna fu#k up now and speed and race etc......hows getting 12 point gonna make you a better person?
The points system is a way to gauge whether you're a driver of good character and not necessarily if you're a good driver! You may be a good driver, but if you continue to break the law you lose your points.
just curious about the whole good behavior bond thing, if your suspended for 12 months from drink driving can you get that option of good behavior bond?
Do they give you the option during your court case?
It's up to the judge I think, they can be awesome and go lenient on you, or seriously eff you over for a long time.
You are generally suspended until you go to court. Then the magistrate decides from there what you punishment is. I think minium is 3 mths for low range and 6 - 12 for mid/high range. You can suggest to the magistrate why you should be put on a good behaviour bond, but ultimately its up to him.Quote:
Originally Posted by rcdc.2
I'd expect a hard time if you were any higher than low range. But if you are suspended prior to court, I assume it was higher than low range.