10mph gain from just intake and tuning....
If your intake is a 12psi from a T3/4 then u will be getting 98+mph for sure..
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10mph gain from just intake and tuning....
If your intake is a 12psi from a T3/4 then u will be getting 98+mph for sure..
the first 2 were at dyno days, and last one cause my mate uses their dyno to tune carsQuote:
Originally Posted by ek4-guy
every dyno is different and every time u dyno ur car ur gonna have a different reading, my figures are just estimates of the power im putting down
havent put my car onto the strip since the new cat and everything else was installed, i ran it pretty much a stock car, planing on goin again soon, but only once i get some decent tyres, and learn how to launch:p
hey guyz use 2 hav a b16a headwork skunk 2 pro cams cams sharft cam gears vale spring and retainers... and headers with full exhaust pump 111kw at the front wheels..... not bad but runing stock chrome ecu its shit man ahhahaa hondata s300 better ahaha but didnt hav enough money 2 buy it well thats wat i got in a b16a but i reckonmend b18c7 or k20..... cheerz
Good result, I'm using some of the same products in my car.Quote:
Originally Posted by nvdvtc
I'll post up my results on the weekend.
f.......talking about tunning to the max u have tune my itr and crx to the highest level now left me with a repair bill easy over 25k and u walk away like nothing has happened my itr being lying there over a year can u fckn please stop tunning other cars to the max and start to have a bit of response able on my cars i have gave you over 30k and wat do i get mr james .......you making justin feel like a dck h........putting him in the middle........mate your not a kid please mate
huh?Quote:
Originally Posted by vanxpress
thats a bloody long sentence dude... i ran out of breath!
and where did this come fromQuote:
Originally Posted by vanxpress
sounds like we'll be hearing about this abit more..
take a breath, break it up a bit and explaine a bit more
(not to be rude)
fck it quik for u to collect money but it taken over a year just to fix your mistake havent u got insurance just put in a claim mate do u need me to use my phone to call for u.
mate not being a rude c...nt ... every time i c that james blk crx talking about fine and max tune he makes me sick that i regreat buying a honda...........sory ozhonda members for saying this but i gota say it out .....just like u respect me than i will respect u ,all the same as wat goes around will come around............ this was about three years ago i bought my itr dc2 it only had 30000km so i decide to turn it mean machine been looking around and asking people of ideas wat to do with this babe is still a virgin ....car from a to z never been touch before..so i decide i order a blower something difference so i order a jackson racing super charge kit cost me around 5 to 6000k and asking people around who can do this job couple of mate recomended here to there etc...a friend ask me wat ecu u gona use i didnt have any fckn idea ..escuse me for my langauge.....he told me hondatta has got a very good name for after market ecu especaily for jr supercharge..so he told to ring james blk crx 480kw atw..so i gave dr james a call and he book a meeting to see him the next day in nunawading i rock up with my blower he look at the car and said u cant get any stock than this so he start to take all hiss dr honda technics and threw it at me u sould do this do that it was very confusion so wat i told him write me out a quote now and i will give a straight answer yes or no ..hi quote was tien super street coil over ,head port polish toda c cams vavles spring .retainers etc...honda s200 ecu the top end all almost fully done but he didnt touch the bottom end at all .toda fly wheel exedy cussion button clutch,exhaust system throttle body i supplied.he made the in cold intake an fitted the blower ...? WATTS the quote 19500k i had and 20mins think i didnt want to shiiiit talker wasting people time so i told him done and said to him u b mangaging my car told him i got no ideas wat coming on and off so i leave it all to him.......made arangement for james to pik up the itr next day gave him a 10000k deposit for the job he promise me the job will take max 4 weeks ...a waited and waited from march to january felt like i never had this itr result was blower was no good belt keeps on snapping suppercharge pulley is not lining with other pulleys ..all that time i waited he said to me go turbo he was going talk me into buying his blk crx turbo kit quote me some thing like12 to 14000k ...but the boys at the work shop said they dont want to give up with the blower ..i brought i scharge pulley to racing project and spoke to nelson told him how i need the pulley to b so he made me up one with the cnc machine and only charge me 120 dollars and deliver to me next day...so shitt was put together car was running good got 171kw atw driving it about a month i decide to go for new full exaust system got rid of the 5 zigen system and use modproject system cost me 3 k but was woth it 11kw different dr james was trying to do his fine technics tunes and somehow was to excited and drop his laptop and broke it ...than itr that he was in the middle of his tunning operation sounded like lawn mower i cant beleive that he told me that cool to drive it so took his word drive it fo a couple of days fck me dead man where i go any one that driving behind me or parked behind would copp all this yukki black fuel all over vechile i can hear bloke screaming out there fix your fckn box mate...was shatted rang dr james he said he come pass my place in richmond in two days and need to street tune it as well..took his word for left the car in the garage for two days waiting for dr james .the morning start of the vechile u copp thick white smoke and car does not idle at all to drive the thing u got to keep your feet on the idle.wen came got the car from my garage about 6pm he told me it a 1 to2 day job i was cool with that he drove off with the car i hear him calling bak there no fuel in the car so the car konked out 500m away from my place i remember there was atleast one line left on the fuel metre so had to listen to dr got a jerry can for nothing to fill it up so i drove the car to 7 eleven for him to fill up and left him with the car it was pooring rain 20min he rining again the car got a flat battery so i drive sti to cnr swan st and church st to jump start him the idiot keep on jump stating over and over again he gave up left me with the car he told me it will b a 5min fix wen it gets bak to the garage so i had to call a tow truck out of my expence 180bucks going local .a week later i towed the vechile to nunawading where the work shop is they couldnt start the vechile so the boys had to pull the head off to c wat the go.....8 bent valves suprise so the the boy was talking me into let do the bottom end i agree with it i gave the boys 10000k to order in jun conrods toda piston etc...to turn it to bullett proff engine wen we pulled the engine engine apart the crank and block was gone bearing were spun off it position crank had bad marks on it told dr james by the looks of him it wear and tear...he put the owner of the work in the middle wen justins got nothing to do with it.so james has contracted the job to a workshop and by the looks of things he wants blame it else where.......2nd vechiles crx b16a turbo charge gt 30 turbo xternal waste gate engine been fully built burger with the lotwas running in the motor easy start after my fckn senior dr james put a u100 hondatta ecu and decides to keep my orginal ecu and do his fine max tune again the poor thing over heated and dr would let the engine cool down again and keeping on tunning fck this time oil start s to spit all out of the sump gaskets oil will fill up my catch can ...wen my friend pulled the head apart all the sleeves was cracked of over heating....wat do i say now took dr james to check it out cant beleive he said this the engine wasnt built strong enought..so he lashed off for a proffessional person like dr james the pioneer of hondatta ecu one of the world leading brand for honda aftermarket ecu i dont know watt to say people...seems like hit and run ...........sorry every one it a long story but to say it .....some how and plus it been nearly 3 years the engine still at the work shop and with the crx is been work by another work shop sould be done in two weeks with a proper set up quad TB turbo charge EXTURNAL WASTE GAUGE B16B THANK FOR YOUR ATTENTION ....REGARDS VAN....:zip:
Where the shit did all that come from? Seems pretty random?
seems like vanxpress doesn't have a brain and trusted someone with his car, and money, that he doesn't even know.
Thats wierd. James comes across as a pro to me. His car is proof of that but wow thats alot money to be throwing at some one for thier car. Something doesnt sound right very bad luck.
:rolleyes:Quote:
Your B16A dyno results?
and y the fcuk would you say something like that? Poor guy probably got some dumb ass advice from some internet mechanic...Quote:
Originally Posted by JasonGilholme
By the way his talking about BLKCRX (Hondata James), very well known and claims to be one of the best in the industry...
Vanxpress, thanks for sharing mate, maybe now some other guys can open there eyes before forking over big bux to so called "experts".
I don't think using your own car is proof of your skillz and knowledge. If you wanna see how good of an Engine bulider/Tuner/Engine swap etc... look at the person's in question customers cars, not their own.Quote:
Originally Posted by hondavti25
Cause he claims to have 'done his research' and he goes out and buys a supercharger instead of a turbocharger.Quote:
Originally Posted by barefootbonzai
Waste of money if you ask me.
he said he did his research and wanted something different. probably came onto here, and listerned to randoms to go seek James.Quote:
Originally Posted by JasonGilholme
Then was assured by the James the "expert" that they could make what he wanted to happen for $xxxxxx.
WOW that post was so hard to read!!!....
Seem like you blew alot of money....badluck .
So your saying that James ****ed up?Quote:
Originally Posted by barefootbonzai
OMG, your you kidding me? If you paid someone to do a job, and they don't get it done, who's fault is that?Quote:
Originally Posted by JasonGilholme
From what I read (a very hard read at that) - seems like the engine builders fault, not James'.
From my experience, James is highly skilled, professional and reliable. Three things that one other particular self proclaimed "expert" tuner is NOT.
I'll be posting my results from my tuning this weekend - James is my tuner. I'm sure my results will speak for themselves. The fact that my car is actually BEING TUNED is fact enough in itself for those who know my story.
Maybe then everyone can see who they can trust with their hard earned dosh, rather than pissing it away on someone with no idea.
I don't know about you, but i wouldn't just go paying someone without asking around first. And i would expect the person that i actually paid to take responsibilly for what was asked for that money, regardless of who acutally did the job. You should know that better than anyone.
I hope you're happy with James tune this coming weekend. Let us know how it all goes. Before and after graphs would be nice.
Whats wrong with a supercharger?Quote:
Originally Posted by JasonGilholme
Quote:
Originally Posted by Waggy
ROFL
Here comes the pain boy. I can't wait to see how this turns out.
Mate, my before and after graphs meant didly squat. My mates stock vti-r was quicker than my car with IHE after a little James magic.Quote:
Originally Posted by barefootbonzai
... then dave had a go; hello 5-6 car lengths. Chalk and cheese.
lol my bad. guess we'll just have to wait and see.
Exactly my point. I did ask around - and look what I got? A shit road tune and $1.2k of debt. There's your chalk and cheese right there.Quote:
Originally Posted by barefootbonzai
Oh look out - here comes the fan club!! Let the brainwashing begin!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by ginganggooly
Read up on the pros and cons mate. Turbo is better bang for buck and gets your power figure alot higher for the same amount of boost.Quote:
Originally Posted by riceball
Thats what i think as wellQuote:
Originally Posted by Waggy
Damn thats a big debt. Has he done anything to help you out??Quote:
Originally Posted by Waggy
HAHAH Fan Club! lol
So you're saying that turbo's dont have pros and cons? Sure turbos are better if you big power, but what if i want something to go tracking with, something with instant power??Quote:
Originally Posted by JasonGilholme
Hasports crx have used JR super chargers on their b16 and k20 engines and they even prefer it over the turbocharger.
yes of course everything has its pros and cons mate.
Its just that the majority of people (probably including this vanexpress dude) would prefer the characteristics of a turbo over a supercharger.
Quote:
Originally Posted by riceball
what would hasport know, they are just wasting money according to JasonGilmore.
its gilholme mate. learn how to read.
i didn't say they didn't know anything. stop making shit up.
That doesn't make the turbocharger better than the supercharger does it? Just cause a "majority" of people prefer it. It comes down to your power goal, budget and application.Quote:
Originally Posted by JasonGilholme
Alot of people like bigmacs rather than zinger burgers, doesn't make it better. :thumbdwn:
So because myself and many, many others are very happy customers, we get well looked after, and thus spread the word, we're brainwashing people?...Quote:
Originally Posted by Waggy
And it's okay for dullards like yourself to hop online and complain about how unfair life is treating you?
What kind of dipshit logic is that?
You sound like a complete pain in the arse customer to me. I actually pity anyone with the misfortune of winning your business.
Nope. Haven't seen the money or had ANY form of contact.Quote:
Originally Posted by JasonGilholme
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Originally Posted by JasonGilholme
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Originally Posted by barefootbonzai
you just said that anyone choosing a supercharger is wasting money. hence making hasport pretty stupid for wasting money correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by JasonGilholme
so your comparing a big racing company (building a car to promote their business) to an ordinary run of the mill guy who wants some more performance from his car.Quote:
Originally Posted by barefootbonzai
Bit of a difference don't you think??
and as riceball said. It depends on the application. I'm guessing hasport are making a drag car so instant boost (with a roots style charger - not centrifugal) will suit their application better then a turbocharger.
Endyn seem to get very impressive results with a supercharger
I can pretty much guarantee there is just as many unhappy customers, and people that think he is overrated.Quote:
Originally Posted by ginganggooly
You get well looked after because you are liked by the tuner, not because you are paying customers (well... maybe AND because you are paying customers). And yes, you guys have a monopoly on this site, if it's not one of you guys blowing his horn, it's one of the other sheep who think he is the only guy out there that can tune a Honda.
Dullard? How unfair life is treating me? What the shit are you on about?Quote:
Originally Posted by ginganggooly
Life is great and I'm actually quite an upbeat person. Funny how you make such judgements about me, even though you only know me online yourself? That's a bit hypocritical, no?
I'm simply an unhappy customer who is demanding my money back. You would be too if someone took a wad of your money, gave you a shit service and then ignored you. Hmmmm, sounds like a scam does it not?
Put yourself in my shoes and stop protecting your mate.
LOL. Oh I don't know.... it's pretty human I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by ginganggooly
Pain in the arse eh? If that's what it takes to get my money back (ie: what I'm owed), then yeah, that's what I am. Thanks for bestowing your all seeing judgemental eye on me again.... you must be a shaman?Quote:
Originally Posted by ginganggooly
I totally agree man. If your not a pain in the ass then your not going to get anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Waggy
I had a long chat with the guys at the fair trading office and they gave me alot of tips about getting my money back and being a pain in the ass was one of the major tips.
I've still got all their contact info mate, i'll forward it to you because i was successful on multiple claims and it didn't take much to get fair trading moving as well. They don't take shit, especially when it comes to labour charges.
The whole point was, you're the one Claiming that VanExpress just wasted money on a supercharger and it was all his fault for shit that James promised that he would do for him but didnt' deliver. Or none of us wouldn't have even bothered replying.Quote:
Originally Posted by JasonGilholme
And stop trying to act like you know everything. lmao @ drag car so instant boost.
well i see some very interesting b16a dyno results the last few pages lol
lol he had all those problems but he got another car done
0098: yeah stupid isn't it.
bigfatbonzai: i just stated my opinion. your the one that came in and didn't like what i said.
ever researched a roots style supercharger and how it displaces are to create boost??Quote:
Originally Posted by barefootbonzai
doubt it.
*** this thread has gone WAY off topic.
looks... theres points to agree with and points to dissagree with.
for starters: vanexpress - please learn how to construct proper sentences, my head was goin to explode reading that shit u posted.
secondly: he commited himself to 20k worth of work in 20minutes. WTF is that? seriously dude, if there is 1 thing i learned from james is that he CLEARLY tries to explain every single facet of the job to the customer to make sure they understand what he is going to do and why. mayb u were in a rush? i dont know, but that was ur first mistake.
thirdly, from what i understand, james doesnt do any of the mechanical work himself. justin and the guys at revzone do all the mechanical stuff, james is the dude that makes it all go right.
fourthly: barefoot - i know ur a highly respected member here, and so is jason. u said that not lookin at the tuners car but his customers car is the proof in their work. ur right. like any other business there are satisfied customers and unsatisfied customers - just depends on their expectation. i for 1 am a satisfied customer of james.
lastly guys, we must remember to listen to both sides of the story, all weve heard is vans rambling on, but im sure james has a side aswell. dont make judgement otherwise.
now get back 2 the mutha ***en topic :)
lol, someones a little hurt cause i spelt their name wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by JasonGilholme
and yep, i totally disagree that it's VanExpress fault in all this.
nah mate not hurt. just making it fair for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by barefootbonzai
bloody queenslanders
Shut up j00 mexican! :pQuote:
Originally Posted by 0098
Who wants to see my poxy dyno with shite tune from the recent dyno day up here?
Maybe we can all forget this all ever happened and rag on my shite box....and maybe my thread can possibly see 4 years without being axed :)
lol totally missed this one. I was laughing at your statement on drag cars needing instant boost, as apposed to huge top ends. Another fine example of your extensive knowledge getting shared amoung the lost noobs.Quote:
Originally Posted by JasonGilholme
Care to explain the difference between where power is made between your "roots style" and a normal supercharger?
So just what is the highest dyno graph ever posted for a N/A b16a on here
http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u...ures/kodak.jpg
I'm going to butt in here. There is a huge difference between rootes and centrifugal blowers. Centrifugal blowers are for retards who want the worst characteristics of both turbo and supercharger installations. "Dyno queen blower" is an apt name for them. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by barefootbonzai
119kw@wheel was the highest but again dyno graph is nothing if its not backed up by 1/4 mile slip.Quote:
Originally Posted by ek4-guy
Different dyno , different operator , different way of strapping , different set up etc = different reading
That was the PCT slugs and BC header one yer?Quote:
Originally Posted by EG5
that's a pretty brave call.Quote:
Originally Posted by grumpy rooster
119kw is yonas's own car i believe. BC header yes, stock pistons though.Quote:
Originally Posted by SPEEDCORE
lolz i was just trying to get things back on track but 119kw wow nice one Yonas
There's another I think, EG b16A - 116kw with ITR CAMS which did a 13.6, tuned by Toda plus a pretty good driver.
Not sure where the graph was on Ozhonda and too lazy to search
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Originally Posted by grumpy rooster
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Originally Posted by barefootbonzai
Not at all when you understand the boost curves of each. I'll leave it at that so this gets back on topic. :)
it was 110kw@wheelQuote:
Originally Posted by e240
Ah yes, something like that...Quote:
Originally Posted by EG5
interesting.. i like the thread and the current topic... can someone start another thread for the tuning debate so this one doesn't get closed
back on topic here we go....
My B16 Turbo on 8psi Tunned by James, best time down the 1/4 was 14.01@9xmph...
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/3679/dynoui3.jpg
This is the All Motor forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by barefootbonzai
And the point of that is? You should tell that too all the other guys posting boosted B16's in here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Waggy
Thanks for that insight. Next time I need the bleeding obvious pointed out, I'll know exactly who to turn to :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Waggy
Haha, seems like you were hanging back for that big chance to knock my head off eh man?Quote:
Originally Posted by ginganggooly
You're a winner. :thumbsup:
fark 122kw atw? 8psi? WTF???
Am i reading it wrong? if i spent xxx cash to get 20 kw ill be depress...
cool and all. IF you like James or dynodave go elsewhere and touch each other.
Please only reply if you have dyno results of your NA b16a car / setup.
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Originally Posted by ek4-guy
119kw @wheel
This could be the highest number here ? My old set up when i had b16a on my EG .
stock untouched b16a bottom end
Stock cam gear ( non adj )
CTR cams
CTR valve springs
Type R IM
Type R TB
Custom CAI
Buddyclub Racing Header
2.5 inch catback
Hondata s100
CTR gearbox
Im no graph reading expert, but isnt the power graph supposed to be smooth when tuned?
yer if tuned properly.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLOWEGG
i have yonas's 119kw b16 in my eg now.got it running last weekend (unfun carb to efi swap done in my spare time)
havnt taken it to dyno yet as im still putting the interior back together so cars not on road yet.
only difference is its got 5zigen header now not buddyclub.
pretty sure the buddyclub is better but barefootbonzai did me a good deal with the whole engine package and i think his friend wanted the buddyclub.
Couldnt work out why car wouldnt start---found it was the chip in my hondata had been put in backwards (6 pins in ecu and 3 or 4 pins (cant remember) for chip)so i moved the chip,ecu power led came on and she started first crank.
thanks barefoot for your honesty and not selling me a dodgy engine
While i don't have my own dyno tune yet ,from the graph in yonas's post im trying to work out why the power delivery is so radical and unsmooth.
I'm thinking it could be something to do with a not such a great job done on the 3 angle valve cut I'm told the head has...but thats just my guess.
I'm leaning towards getting some adjustable cam gears to try and fine tune as i have a heap of power but i feel smoother delivery is needed...anyone think this could help?....for now il just wait til i get a it on a dyno.so without the bitching who can suggest a tuner in brisbane area with honda knowledge (its my first honda lol)
will get pics up when car is complete
glad u got it up and running bro. hit me up if you need it to be retuned. It should run ok with the map that's currently on the hondata atm though.
shit graph=shit tune...Quote:
Originally Posted by SLOWEGG
yeah it should be right,il wait to see wat i do after its been drivin for a few weeks....why stop at 119kw lol
Though this is stating the obvious,
Yonas's old set up was covered at length in this thread some time ago,
If you'd care to go back & read about it, it's all explained as to why the output was as it was.
Probably back as far as post 150 or 160.
to make a 1.6 make more top end you gotta sacrifice low/mid range. Isnt that the basic thing about "tuning" ? It would be impossible to make a 1.6 with 119kw and really strong mid range too
Mates naturally aspirated Da6 Plot
http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i15/TEC2NV/dyno_2.jpg
http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i1...V/Dsc00759.jpg
SPECS:
1989 Honda Inetgra XSi
1600 dohc vtec
artic white
5 speed manual
sunroof
de-spoilered boot
mouldings colour coded
artic white
de-spoilered boot
mouldings colour coded
B16A2 block (brand new from Japan)
balanced bottom end
knife edged crank
balanced crank pulley, clutch kit and flywheel
TAS Block Guard
Custom resin filled lower girdle
spoon head gasket
B16a head
race port and polish
Skunk 2 Pro Series stage 2 cams
Skunk 2 Pro Series double valve springs
Skunk 2 Pro Series titanium retainers
Skunk 2 Pro Series cam gears
Skunk 2 Pro Series intake manifold
Skunk 2 Pro Series 70mm throttle body
Hytech 4-1 Race Headers
2.5" exhuast
YS1 cable lsd gearbox
AP Racing Twin Plate Clutch Kit ($2500)
Helical Type R LSD
Type R Final Drive
Custom Gear Ratios
msd ignition system
gizzmo chip
vafc 2
sard fuel regulator
prelude 290cc injectors
walbro fuel pump
autoguage revv/shift light
oil pressure, air/fuel ration and water temp guages
custom white face dials
K&N pod filter
rear upper and lower strut braces
stripped interior
motor sport approved fire extinguhser
tinted windows
polised rocker cover, caster arms, intake manifold
all bolts/nuts and brackets chrome dipped
d2 adjustable suspension
d2 rear adjustable camber arms
15" Rota slipstreams
gsd3 eagle f1 typres (street)
brembro slotted rear disks
hawk hp pads
Tuned to 134 KWS at the wheels
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Nice.... what times has it run?