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Agreed. As I've mentioned earlier in this thread, the auto is a very different animal city v highway. I'm at 5500km and with 100% city driving over the life of a tank I get 12l/100km. On the highway I easily get 6l/100km. What intruiges me is the city figures have improved with time, but the highway figures have remained constant (I got 6-7l/100 the first weekend I picked up the car).Quote:
Originally Posted by yfin
don't know how to count that, but i drive 65km daily for 7 full days and have more than half tank left.
Everytime put in bp ultimate on Tuesday for 45 dollars the most 49 weekly and fuel is like puking out of it's neck.
can anyone work this out for me? :)
I've found the same thing with my auto Euro. When I first got it I'd get about 450km's (or less). These days around town I get 540-560km's. I've got just over 20,000km's on mine so far. Highway driving economy has always been excellent. I must admit I don't hit the higher revs as often but still do it enough to blow the cob webs out :)Quote:
Originally Posted by YouRow
Hi. Im driving 06 Euro Auto. I do ONLY city driving with no highways. Trips through Melb CBD etc. I get 11 - 11.5L/100km. I got 1080km on the clock. Been only running on Optimax since new.
I tend to rev my car up to 4000rpm max and let it build speed gradually. hope that helps. :)
This will make people who mod the 6MT feel better and justify the cost of rims,etc.
Given average 20,000 kms travelled per year the auto euro in the city uses about $550 per year more fuel than the 6MT (say avg 12 vs 10l/100)
Hmmm, over 5 years that is almost $3000 in mods you have got for free.. :D So next time your wife, partner etc hassles you about spending more money on the Euro - just tell them it is basically free compared to buying the auto.. hehe. Weird way of looking at things but it works for me..
True true, plus the manual is quicker and a gearbox recondition is much cheaper, and the euros triple synchros give you silky smooth gear shifts, so its all good :)
By the way, I tested a tank of Caltex 98RON and its actually more efficient than BP Ultimage :thumbsup: 9.7L/100km vs 9.2L/100km
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Originally Posted by EuroDude
hmm...that's weird, i alwayys get crapper results with caltex 98 vortex...
keep trying...and keep teh same driving habits, and places u drive to - makes a big difference whether u're heading to work 20kms away or heading to the local shops...
Hey Guys
A few days ago I fill up my euro till the first click of the pump 95ron. Since then I have traveled 225km and the needle is just a bit before showing 1/4 tank used. How accurate is the fuel tank needle? If you do the math near to or on registering orange light(and I think there is about 10litres in reserve). This is going to equate to generous distance.:eek: :eek:
I have given it some real juice about four times during the km so far.
Ben
From the click to the first bar, it's about 100km on my car. Then each 1/4 is another 100km. Then the light comes on and it's about another 80km. I haven't dared run the car til dry.Quote:
Originally Posted by benthx
I just put in two tanks of Optimax Extreme 100Ron as a test finally.
I actually did notice the car to pick up some tiny extra power, although I kind of expected this, as its possibly running slightly leaner on Wide Open Throttle in the short term, until the computer readjusts back to normal for the longer run.
As for mileage - it is actually worst.
Being a slightly lower density fuel diluted by ethanol, on calculations of cruise mode air fuel ratio, I would expect mileage to drop around 15-20kms per tank. I think in my case it dropped around 20kms when the yellow light came on even only with two tanks. In the longer run if the ECU does adjust for the Full Throttle fuel maps as well (??), I would expect mileage might even drop more!
Will I use it again? In Victoria, it is actually 17C more than regular Unleaded, which is 7Cents more than Optimax 98.
I think I'll revert and stick to Mobil Synergy 8000... best overall power output, torque, price, etc. To me anyway, don't take my word for it. I'm missing my G-Tech 'G-force' accelerometer to test in gear max. accelerative g-forces.. :O
19" heavy ass rims + tyres + injen CAI on manual 04 lux with BP ultimate, 14000km, havent changed oil since 7000km yet. 12-13l/100km! 10%highway 90% melbourne CBD. You guys know how bad traffic in the CBD is. 50km/h limit and traffic lights every 100 m or so. Looks like I'm the V6 consumption territory/
Attention Benthx: How accurate is the fuel tank needle?
Forget trying to work out your fuel consumption by looking at the fuel gauge needle. The only "practical" way for us is to fill up about four times and take an average. All the info on how to do this is on this thread or similar thread.
Adagio
hms aside from BP Ultimate, another good fuel thats just as efficient is Caltex Vortex, giving ~8.5->9.4 consumption :thumbsup:
Ampol fuel is still the worst, constantly giving 10.0+ consumption :thumbdwn:
Ampol is owned by Caltex though but they don't have a 98ron fuel I beleive as Caltex does.
lol didnt know Caltex owns Ampol, did Caltex buy them out or something?
I believe Ampol "8000" is their 98RON fuel. 6000 is their 95RON fuel. (If I remember correctly)
Lately I've been using 95 ron fuel, I can't feel any difference with 98 ron fuel in terms of power delivery and mileage.
Also on another note (I hope this is not OT), some people suggests using Hi-Clone to improve mileage. I tried it (I know... you might say I'm an idiot), but to my surprise, it did improve my mileage, although not a lot. I'm usually running around 11L/100km, but since I used it, it goes down to around 10.5L/100km. Not a lot of course. There seems to be a test done in US that confirms they have no affect. http://www.popularmechanics.com/auto...s/1802932.html
Why u not driving the Euro anymore? :O
I think A Current Affair or similar program here, have tested the HiClone before. It showed a positive result actually but they concluded the effect was minimal, although measureable. At least its not a complete rip-off like the Fuel Polarisers, which were tested at same time and did not have any result.
Personally I've used HiClone before in a 1.8L Lancer. Couldn't really see any differences in power or economy... but might have? Don't know!
After doing almost 5000km on my Euro Sport (AT)
Everyday driving - 80% freeway - 9.1 to 9.5L/100km
"Spirited" mix of stop/start traffic and 30-40% freeway - 10.1L/100km (approx)
Country driving at an average of 120km/h on some hilly roads - 9.5-10.0L/100km
Filled up only with BP ultimate since Day 1 with the car. So that's >4500km worth of BP ultimate :P
I've found the trip computer to be quite accurate.
I have done 70000k on my 03 Accord Euro Luxury (Auto)
And; I too have a spreadsheet with Fuel Consumption
After 127 tank refills my average is 8.3l per 100k.
20% driving is city and 80% is at 110k with cruise control on.
No difference between 95RON or 98RON
Best ever is around 7.2l per 100k :wave:
maybe its me, but with RON98, the euro is quieter and smoother. but 98 seems to harm fuel consumption a bit, though.
has anyone use E10 fuel before? the dealer said it is ok for E10 fuel.
I use E10 fuel all the time and it's fine, just use the E10 98RON stuff as E10 95RON seems to drastically effect fuel consumption (approx 100km's less per tank) and throttle response isn't as good. With my 4c/ltr off docket and reduced cost of E10 fuel I get E10 98RON for cheaper than 95RON normal fuel which saves me heaps as I drive my car for a living.
That's very interesting.Have you or can you do a comparison over say 4 fill ups? It would be great to be able to be absolutely sure that 98 RON is at least as cheap to use as 95. Only weeks away from $2.00 a litre as I figure it now that BP have closed down their Alaska refinery for major repairs and Iran is threatening to shut off their oil.
Adagio
I used E10 95 over about 10 tanks and only ever got in the 400km's per tank. I then switch to E10 98RON and get 530+ every tank. I haven't changed my driving style or where I drive. I mainly do city driving. I've used BP Ultimate and Shell Optimax every now and again and get about the same as E10 98.
What brand is the E10 98RON you're using?Quote:
Originally Posted by BiLL|z0r
I'm not sure I've seen this in Victoria. :O
All I know is using Shell Optimax Extreme (E5) with 100Ron, got slightly more power (placebo effect?) but very definitely lost around 20km per tank easily.
I don't mind using E5-E10 98RON if we have it here I guess as long as the price is relatively good.
96Ron vs 98Ron normal fuel - no discernible difference in fuel economy to me at all but there should be some. Power wise, now that car has run in, 98Ron seems to work better than 96Ron on my Euro Accord albeit not much.
The servo is called IFS (Independent Fuel Supplies). Also go by the the name of SEQldFS (South-East Qld Fuel Supplies). On the bowser they say they use Caltex fuels but I haven't seen any Caltex servo's that use Ethanol fuels up here. Check some your independent servo's down that way and some might have it. Shell is the only big named servo that uses Ethanol fuels that I know of and that's only E5 and 100ron (and a rip off).Quote:
Originally Posted by Omotesando
in VIC, you can get E10 from United Petrol stations. their 'PLUS' range of 95 and 98 fuels contains 10% ethanol.
I've similar observations as well, eith E10Ron95 petrol, the car is quite sluggish. less power than the normal ron95.
Thanks BILLzOR and MiSloVic..
I have a United Petrol station quite close but just haven't used it. I'll give it a try. Hope it won't eat away my fuel lines :) Shell Extreme 100 is a complete rip-off, agreeeeee.
I would never use an ethanol blended fuel.Quote:
Originally Posted by MiSloVic
My euro ran a bit better on 98 than 95. I think it was due to higher quality of fuel rather than ron.
Shell Extreme 100 is more expensive than 98RON yeah? Shouldnt it be cheaper than 98RON since it has Ethanol in it?
Seems like Shell are taking us for a ride :eek:
You hit it on the head and that's why I refuse to buy it. The IFS 95RON E10 fuels are 2c/ltr cheaper than normal 91RON fuel which is the way it's meant to be.
yup.. ethanol is meant to lower fuel cost..
but shell used it to riase RON level as a marketing weapon.
I wouldn't mind using the Shell Optimax Extreme 100RON if it was only 10c above normal 95 premium unleaded.
But its a massive 17c hike on top. As everyone noted, ethanol is cheaper, less dense, less mileage. But higher Octane (which also drops quicker).
There's actually one fuel I have never used yet but I should try, and that is the Mobil Synergy 6000 (96 Ron). I wonder if I'm wasting money using the 98Ron 8000!
Update, consumption improvement
Model: Euro 6Spd Manual
Mods that could impact consumption: VAFCii, K&N Typhoon CAI, ZORST, Tyres, Rims
Kms: 48,500kms
Highway kms = 280++ Kms
City Kms = 120+km
Used 31 Litres to travel 410 Kms
Average Consumption over this period: 7.56L
lol my euro hates 95RON fuel (tried Caltex this time), I used high gears and everything, the best I could get is 9.8L/100km (avg 10.5L/100km). Plus I definetely noticed a bit of a performance drop.
Just filled up with Vortex 98 yesterday, easily got it down to 8.6L/100km on suburban roads. (avg 9.2L/100km, and 6.5L/100km on the freeway@100km/h in 6th).
No more 95RON for me...
*laughs* I've filled up with BP ultimate since day-one from the dealer and my dealer still thought charging $15 for fuel-injector cleaner was kocher. Bastard.
So either BP ultimate doens't burn that clean or the dealer's full of crock.
Getting more 10.0L per 100km with a mix of peak-hour and non-peak traffic. I think they may have slightly overfilled my oil at my 5000km service which may also impart some higher fuel consumption levels?
I seem to remember reading somewhere in the owner's manual not to put any additives in the fuel. Your dealer is just getting a nice mark up on the fuel additive IF he put it in? BP guarantee the cleanliness of their fuel.
Adagio
I'm the same as you Eurodude. I tried Caltex 95RON for three tanks and all three were in the 11's. Apart from those three tanks for the other 15000klm's I've used Mobil Synergy 8000 and my average is 10l/100klm. It's an auto as well.
hms not a fan of Mobil Synergy 8000, it gives me bad fuel consumption compared to the other 98RON brands (bp+caltex).
Quick update for the Auto Tranny users as well.
Last fill up i managed 7.6L/100km and the one before that was 8.5L/100km. ULtimate is so much better.
Went to the airport 4 times so maybe thats why.
Stop Go traffic when i was using Optimax was piss weak at 12.9L/100km even.
Bump: Synergy 8000 is now available on the Gold Coast. I filled up with a tank a couple weeks ago and found it the crappest 98RON fuel out there. Fuel economy was down about 40-50km's per tank, power delivery was down and vtec made a really odd noise. Back to BP/IFS for me. I filled up with 95RON BP the tank after and it's back to normal.
Does anyone here know if any brand of the 98 fuels available is better than the others?EG.I've heard that optimax is 95 with octane booster!!!I've also been told always buy petrol from high volume service stations on main roads.Would apreciate any input on this.
Last tank on Shell Optimax 698km's x 51 litres = 7.30 litres per 100km's
MY04 auto luxury no mods other than Mobil 1 10w - 30 fully synthetic oil:thumbsup:
Mostly highway driving tony?
Yes it was mostly Highway, trip to the Gold Coast & the Sunshine Coast from the same tank.Quote:
Originally Posted by BiLL|z0r
EuroTony
I've heard you can get as low as 6.5l/100kms.(man.hwy driving,100kph easy on throttle)!!!!:thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Eurotony
Yer, I've gotten 850km's from 95% highway driving and easy driving when not on highway. Would have gotten more if didn't vtec so many trucks :)
Fake. Not true.Quote:
Originally Posted by tony1234
I do prefer Vortex98. Try it to believe it. The engine runs much smoother than with Optimax.
That's the next fuel to try on my list. Not many Caltex have it here though (we don't have that many Caltex anyway on the Goldy).
That's my fuel of choice(vortex).Mobil 8000 and ultimate seem to also be good.Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
How good is that!!!In an auto as well!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by BiLL|z0r
Seems like everyone is different with their experience....
I have used all fuels now, except Caltex Vortex 98 (non in Vic?) and some E10 blends suggested here.
I use Mobile Synergy 8000 without fail these days. More power, and economy is the same.
Honestly I NEVER noticed any fuel economy difference between any of the 98 fuels. Even using 95-96 fuels (Vortex 96, Shell 96, Mobile Synergy 6000 96) I didn't seem to get less economy.!!
The only fuel I used which saw a drop in economy was Optimax Extreme 100 and even then its only around 20kms which could have been normal variation.
It is not good to try only one tank of any fuel and make a conclusion as well, it does change a lot by the 2nd tank. So for everytime I experiment with fuel I actually at least use that fuel for 3-4 tanks ;-)
Mobile Synergy 8000 for me :) I can't pick between BP Ultimate and Shell Optimax though, although BP Ultimate smells better kind of like Perigord Truffle Oil!
Mobil Synergy 8000 or BP Ultimate for me...
Caltex 98RON and BP Ultimate are by far the best, pretty much equal :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by tony1234
The others give worse efficiency :thumbdwn:
Thanks Eurodude,i thought as much.i mainly use Caltex 98.;)Quote:
Originally Posted by EuroDude
Just wanted to say I found out Victoria finally has some Vortex 98 Ron at some specific stations.
Will be trying that out soon :)
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Originally Posted by EuroDude
I have only used Vortex 98 and averaged 9.0 L/100 in the first 13000kms. I tend to do average shifts of 4500 rpm with 3/4 throttle and push 7000 rpm at least once per every 100kms (thats 5 times per tank refill @ 500 kms). ;)
PS.. I reckon I do about 60% stop start driving and rest is cruisy 70-80km/h
I've also found that short shifting a MT gives you great fuel economy.
Actually ive recently found that Ampol Gold is even better than BP and Vortex, the efficiency is avg 9.4L compared to avg 9.6L+, and thats with spirited driving. Its only the first tank so need to fill up a couple more times to be sure.
Have a feeling Ampol is getting their fuels from Mobil? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by EuroDude
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Originally Posted by Eurotony
I have done Shell optimax 680km x 55 lt, 400km on highway avg 110km/hr , 100km mountain drive with frequent high rev, and the rest in city drive, so it quite efficient.....:thumbsup:
Just did an economy check using BP Ultimate over 271 kms at mostly 117kmh from BP Marulan/Canberra/BP Marulan.We achieved 6.86 litres per 100kms. Never got past 5,000rpm and mostly held rpm at 3,000 using cruise control. Overall my Euro is happiest on BP Ultimate.
Adagio
Im struggling with mine, the most I get is 450 km's to a tank running optimax. Auto trans, 19" wheels. Possibly the weight of the wheels contributing to the shocking fuel economy????
Have you measured the weight of your 19" rim+tyre?Quote:
Originally Posted by ZYL11A
i think your rims too heavy...plus it will slow down your the car as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZYL11A
17 inchs good enough, espeacially using light weight rims....:thumbsup:
450km to the low fuel light or to empty? I find this thread a bit confusing sometimes as some people calculate the fuel consumption properly - others just look at the fuel guage at low light.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZYL11A
I must be out of step with fashion. I just don't understand why you put on huge wheels, it can't be for grip as the Euro has fantastic grip on OEM tyres. 17s are just fine so the change to 19s must be for the look you wanted for you certainly wont be getting enhanced performance. Surely these 19s would affect the handling and not for the better. From my point of view Honda spends millions developing a car to the point where it has almost nil faults then we start trying to improve it with, often, lower grade products or at the least, in many cases, unsuitable ones. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by ZYL11A
Adagio
I agree.Instead spend your money on good suspension mods and change the OEM tyres.I've done both of these and i think it was money well spent.:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Adagio
Heavy rims might make a couple of percent difference in fuel consumption but not enough to decrease economy to 450kms to a 65 litre tank! I have driven on long trips with a car full of people and the fuel economy was only a little worse on the highway compared to just me in the car.
I think ZYL11a needs to clairfy how many litres were used for that 450kms.
To the low fuel lightQuote:
Originally Posted by yfin
Not good enough. Next time, refill to the top at the fuel pump and record the number of litres and distance travelled. :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by ZYL11A
Ok - as Aarong said measure it by litres not the fuel guage - fill up to the top and then reset the trip. Then calculate consumption based on how many kms travelled vs how many litres the next fill is.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZYL11A
If you are getting 450kms to low light that is around 11.5-12 litres per 100kms which around town is not abnormal for an automatic. But measure it properly and report back.
My girlfriend's been driving my car lately and she went through one tank (about half and half city/highway) and got about 700km in before the next fill.
With conservative driving the euro should be very frugal - hell my figure is with I/H/E
and also try to use the same pump, diff pumps will fill to different levels. :wave:Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
You can't rely on the pump cut out even on the same pump. When the nozzle clicks there can be lots of room left in the tank and it will vary each time you fill even with the same pump (eg depending on where you hold the nozzle influences the cut out too). I pull the nozzle out towards the end and pump slowly - you can see where the fuel is. Just be careful not to fill right to the top (ie almost coming out) as with heat expansion as you drive away it can overflow.Quote:
Originally Posted by hotout
I think the easiest way to check your fuel consumption is to fill up to the first click of the fuel pump,set trip meter to zero,drive the car till the low fuel light comes on(it says in the manual there is approx.10 ltrs. left), when full manual states there is approx.65 ltrs.Therefore you should have used 55 ltrs.As soon as low fuel light comes on note the dist. travelled then divide this by 55.
The most reliable way is, as tony1234 says, fill up to the first click. NOW zero your B trip meter and anytime you want to fill up again just note the kms on the B trip meter write it down with the litres used. Now, ignoring the decimal point from the litres used, divide this figure by the distance travelled. Doing this once gives you a pretty good idea of your fuel consumption but taking an average over 4 fills gives you a very accurate indication and diminishes the variance caused by different pumps.Quote:
Originally Posted by tony1234
Adagio
the euro has some pretty good fuel consumption...
first off, don't be fooled by the euro's trip computer...it's not accurate...use the above methods suggested by the other members...there's usually about a 1L difference in fuel economy readings...lol
but yeh, everytime i get into my car, i redline at least once...i do 100% city driving with a mixture of short distances (2km trip to the train station and back), and the longest distance being 20km one way to the city for work...
and with this i get about 10-11L/100kms...
if you really want to be conservative with fuel, don't go WOT...it makes a big difference....
try not to accelerate when not really needed...example approaching a red light - does ur foot still need to be on the gas? momentum will get u there fine...
USE the momentum on the car...instead of getting to the lights quickly and stopping, take ur time slowing down, try to keep your car rolling...
with momentum, shifting into 2nd gear rolling (rather than starting from 1st gear again) saves alot of petrol IMO...
:)
Had 20k/1 year (Ive only done 10k though...) service this week.
06 5AT standard btw.
Filled up with Vortex 98 for the first time (always use shell or bp) and drove back from the Gold Coast to Brisbane.
Previously I've got about 6.8-7.2l/100km on the highway on various trips.
This time, 5.6l/100km!!! This was with the aircon off, but that's insane.
I could not believe it. I didnt even pump my tires up LOL.
I hope this translates at least in part to my usual city driving. I've only gotten about 12.5l/100km since the car was new in city driving.
You Row it might be worth repeating that run to be absolutely sure as those figures are better than a diesel car of around 2 litres. Usually diesel gets 1/3 more out of their fuel.
The Honda New Zealand web site has some good additional fuel consumption figures worth noting. Low 6s on the highway are definately achievable.
http://www.honda.co.nz/site/environ/...nsumption.html
Hondas in NZ have this sort of labelling (this is from the Civic Hybrid). On the Auckland-Taupo-Auckland test the Euro got 6.49 in the manual and 6.53 in the Auto. I still can't believe they get a Mugen model from Honda there.
http://www.honda.co.nz/site/environ/images/FELabel.jpg
Opposite of what I just found.
Just did a run to Sydney and back from the Gold Coast using Vortex 95 on the way returning 7.0L/100k, but the return trip used Vortex 98 and only did 7.6L/100k.
Both runs had the same load, driver only, no aircon.
All I can think of is the return trip was uphill..........lol