come down guys , like jdmType r said , it is a header tread, stick with the topic
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come down guys , like jdmType r said , it is a header tread, stick with the topic
people with personal vendettas should shutup, unless proof is provided to backup claims against others.
time to dish out bans
I think there has been proof alreadyQuote:
Originally Posted by 0098
There is so much love in this thread,time to growup guys if you want to start s**t do it in another thread PLEASE and lets just talk headers in this one.
Regards Dyno Dave
How about Toda header vs 5Zigen header on DC5R?
Can comment? Thanks
Toda as they do the research to make power vs 5Zigen which are just built to fit and carry some bling value.Quote:
Originally Posted by free2d
Regards Dyno Dave
What are the new xforce 4-1s like???
any one know what they have changed from V1???
So my dc5r i am buying will have a mugen cat back and muffler.
which header + cat u guys recommend? im not looking at spenind more than 1000 for it
My advice to you is save somemore and buy a header worthy of fitting to your car not some HAVE TO HAVE FOR $1000 junk,cars like yours need GOOD headers and tuning as it will respond and make the investment worthwhile.Quote:
Originally Posted by didz
Regards Dyno Dave
A nice set of jdm dc5r headers would be a nice little upgrade for a Audm DC5R..OH i have some too...;)
i think 5-zigen is ok , and they are not expensive as toda which costing 1000+++
k its not a mugen cat bck, just mugen twin loop muffler~
meh ill prob go xforce 4-2-1 and s2000cat + mugen cat back
After a posting this thread ages ago ive decided to go with mugen header..
Second hand one for a good price...
It took you nearly 2 years to decide header choices .Quote:
Originally Posted by locote
Glad you find what you wanted
lmao 2 years to choose headers FTW!
haha
I hope he doesn't buy any cams soon, we'll all be dead in 80 years and might not be able to help him :(
hahahahaha omg 2 years thats insane, it took me a quarter of that time 2 find a good car, hahaha oh well glad u finally found wat u like, let us no how it goes.
lol 2 years
Sorry guys false alarm...
the search goes on!!!!!
Out there somewhere is THE RIGHT HEADER for me..
All good things come to he that waits patiently :)
I c that TODA and xforce i tied in my poll...
hurmmm ive been waiting so long for this poll to show me tha way..
now its down to two contenders!!!
Edelbrock FTW.
Only american header i included how silly of me
anyone heard about the new version of xforce header?
their website shows that they are increasing size primaries dunno if they were like that earlier but should be good, might give them a go.
42-63mm...
Looks nice and shiny:)
Been told by many old design was Bang for buck. id say they would have only improved it:)
I am getting Dave's header, and I am expecting 30kw atw gain:D :D :D
HAAHHAHAHA your dreaming. You'll get half of 30 kw atw.Quote:
Originally Posted by xtercii
yeh the old design xforce have served me well, i think im goign to try these ones out, anyone tried them yet?
So tempting to give m a go..
specialy at the price they are goin for..
yeh lol, think might grab them this week off the trader only 399 thats nice.
now decision is 4-1 or 4-2-1 haha i dunno waht to choose...
i think 4-2-1 for clearance.
hahha i know i am dreaming, but i am very keen to see the result and the difference...Quote:
Originally Posted by fatboyz39
You will definitely feel the difference. Result wise, probably 10-15kws.Quote:
Originally Posted by xtercii
Stock B18b???Quote:
Originally Posted by dudeling7
if thats tha case 4-2-1 for shaw dude
that's f ucking maassivee...Quote:
Originally Posted by Benson
hey man i remember u had a gsi, with the 4-2-1 where did u feel the power inrease like rpm wise?Quote:
Originally Posted by locote
because i got 4-1 now and it starts kicking in around 4000 or 4500 to redline.
got i/h/e but unopened motor
ColdFusion is using my header now...
Yeah felt a difference specialy mid range...
locote i think it's time you give up and start thinking about buying a house or something. Not much time left you know.
Almost there buddy..
Need a fairly big deposit these days sp here in perth:(..
Already got 1 with gf looking to buy our 2nd one next year..
Thanks for your consern...
I can feel the love in this forum. Its good when fellow members offer GOOD advice...
unlike this post based on "LOOKS"
Originaly posted by VT3C
"the mugen 4-2-1 header is their 'Gymkhana' header - is best for low down and mid-range gains. the mugen 4-1 is best for top-end gains. How does this compare to other headers ? well TODA is common however it apparently has the highest gains of any header but in my opinion it's boring and looks crap after 6 months when it tarnishes. BC header ? well i've never seen one in person but IMO if same price etc u better to go for the mugen header."
hahahahahahahahaha ownedQuote:
Originally Posted by barefootbonzai
whops
Are the Apexi GT spec 4 2 1 headers any good?
Deciding to get either that or a 5zigen 4 2 1 header but not sure what to choose.
you say x-force for dc5 is crap.. what about the dc5R??Quote:
Originally Posted by TODA AU
there is a lot of recommendations for dc2's and d series engines.. not a lot for k series that i can see on this thread.
I dont want to spend a large amount of money on the header as i dont have any proof of which brands are better and how much they are better (on a dc5R). Yes its obvious that some are better than others but for this reason i cant justify spending 1500-2000 on a toda or spoon setup vs 700-1200 on 5 zigen or something else. I currently have a genuine mugen twinloop muffler only and that is the only mod i have on my dc5r.
Some help would be appreciated.
Apexi GT spec header are so old , is this the twister collector style ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr_Dc2aRgh
If thats what you mean , its a discontinue items from late 90's
so does anyone know how buddyclub header compares to the toda one on a dc5r?
If you can't justify the expense of header that work,Quote:
Originally Posted by didz
You better off not buying a header at all.
See above post.Quote:
Originally Posted by didz
for gains in low revs 2000-5000. 4-2-1 headers are the best right? D16Y1 btw.
as i said, i cant justify it because No-One has made an objective comparison. everyone just says "toda is best" or "dont bother about toda because x-force is good" What i am asking for is the comparisons between 2 "high end" brands ie: toda and spoon, and the "low end" brands ie:x-force - 5 zigen.Quote:
Originally Posted by TODA AU
the dyno sheets u provided earlier (link to another forum) were a good comparison however from my understanding it was only for a dc2R. I am looking for a set for a dc5r which is justifiable against the cost. If a $600 header will do the same job as a $1800 header then it would just come down to branding.
Could you please answer my previous question as well Toda?
"you say x-force for dc5 is crap.. what about the dc5R??
there is a lot of recommendations for dc2's and d series engines.. not a lot for k series that i can see on this thread."
I understand that. i am just asking if anyone has real experience between using both on a dc5R. I am also asking for a "decent" set for a dc5R. let me clarify, I am not a full on track racer, i like cruising on the street. that being said i still want good power gains from the mods i buy.Quote:
Originally Posted by EG5
I dont think i want to buy xforce anyway because people say they sound different and others say they arent good at all. I understand getting what u pay for. but there is always a limit where it just gets to the point where u have to spend ridiculous amounts of money to get to certain point.
eg: fwd NA car moving from a high 12's to a 10 sec (assuming it is a 14-15 sec stock). the amount of money you need to spend is phenominal in comparison to getting it to high 12's from 14-15.
So does anyone have a comparison between buddyclub and toda?
You get what you pay for as simple as that.Quote:
Originally Posted by didz
There is no way a cheap header will do the same job as expensive header.
Research and development cost is not cheap now days.
Ive seen X force header for dc5R , pretty rough quality , some of the bends looks pretty bad too.
If you have a DC5 base model, you may see a gain on the dyno, but you won't feel it driving the car.Quote:
Originally Posted by didz
With a DC5 Type R, you will go backwards.
That's it in a nutshell.
Seriously, if you want cheap, use a std JDM DC5-R header.
99% of the cheap headers out there aren't as good as the JDM OEM.
Sorry it's not what you want to hear, but it's true.
Will the DC5r header fit into the new civicR???
Im gona go check it out next weekend at motor show if it impreses me i might consider buying one, just thought id ask if the header will fit..
I think you may have misunderstood me.Quote:
Originally Posted by TODA AU
I am not asking for the cheap stuff. i am asking someone to help me justify spending a much larger amount of money. i am asking someone to help me justify it by telling me of personal experience where the person has had both cheap/middle and high end or if they have dyno charts of the various headers (low end, middle and top).
honestly you won't get a very accurate answer by keep on asking other ppl, the best way is to do your own research and just go buy the one u think it's right for you, test it out and experience it for yourself then you will know exactly if it's good or not. If you don't like it and have the fund, sell it and try another set up, unfortunetely playing with cars is not cheap...
Has anyone got the smsp headers or know anyone that has them?
Cheers.
toda ftw, look at the bends, runners and collector on the toda in comparison to other brands, i dont think u get too much better then them for b-series.
the trouble is vertext, there is so much information on these forums on b series and d series. not so much for the k20 :<
Spoon Race headers or Toda
What r the thoughts on the s/s ones from ebay??
They r copies of Toda etc.
I put these on my vti-r Civic when I had it but I didnt notice much diffrence just sounded a lil louder...
i recently got some MEGAN 4-2-1
they have blueprints of dc headers and most ppl in usa say they are better than them.
i used to have xforce 4-1 and the megans crap all over them, jsut seems like more power everywhere :)
probably cause of the 421 design.
the top end on the 4-2-1 are better then the 4-1's. plus no crappy hissing noise.
wer do u get those? how much do they go for?
do megans fit up to audm cat?
how about MUGEN 4-2-1? anygood?
lol no la :P u need a good cai :P
nah i dont need a cai.. ill just run straight from the TB... LOL.
hehe nice, now you would just want a vafc tuned :)
scared to ask (seems like didz got flamed on the same question lol) but im tossing between buddyclub racing spec and toda headers. anyone know the diff? i've had a look at both headers and they have similar bends and pipe sizes. will they perform the same? if so why the price diff?
btw for a k20
yeh i know what u mean man. Not enough info on dc5r's with header comparisons. From what i have heard, buddyclub are good and give good gains high and low but many people say toda is better. What is the price difference? im not aware. I am going for spoon race headers most likely for my dc5r.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikul_ha
anybody give some good feedback on fujitsubo headers ?
i asked my mate the diff between the two headers and basically you get what you pay for. buddyclub is not made in japan anymore where as toda is. where are you looking at getting ur spoon headers? and why have you choosen them?
I looked at dyno charts of spoon race headers compared to the toda ones and they were very similar in performance (i think spoon looked better).Quote:
Originally Posted by mikul_ha
I am not quite sure on where i am sourcing them first, gonna speak to a few importers that my network of mates know.
show us some dyno sheets diddy, my friend had xforce headers wid spoon everything else in the exhaust system (remember the white dc5 ?, the one i said was full spoon with 150kw atw?, angelo n all them saw it in city) he didnt put the spoon headers on because it didnt fit to the AUDM cat, so he had to go with xforce as the other option in his mind at the time.
just get a spoon cat to go with it!. somewhere in this massive thread is alink to a site with the dyno sheets of like heaps of brands headers.
What idiot would get Spoon headers and leave cat+catback stock? lol.
http://www.hondatech.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=616
quoted from someone else who posted.
im not sure how it went but he had spoon catback, n1 and all but didnt have spoon headers for some reason, something about somethin sitting lower or something, maybe i go ask him n put a better explanation, but he knows his stuff about cars, and gets his car done at revzone (old owners ... terry? or something) and also TCG in north melbourne. So ill ask him and give a reply.
Kool, man i see that blue "ivetcr" everyhere lately lol u know him yeh?
Spoon or toda for me, whichever comes first when the funds roll in ;)
hha yer, i know him, he was the one that introduced his friend to buy my brothers dc2r, he got the number plate at the same time as my brother, he wanted IVTEC so bad man haha
thanks for the link didz!
not much difference in the dyno sheet between the spoon and toda...
what are the price differences though, and also with spoon you gotta buy a spoon cat aswelll is that the same with toda ? if so how much is it all, put together and which one is cheaper ?
since toda and spoon are made from JAPAN you are require to run a jdm cat or a aftermarket cat which everyone tends to do
I'm getting a set of Toda headers for our DC2R in the next month or so, will get it ceramic coated and an aftermarket cat to suit. Most likely to go for the MetalCat with flanges to be welded on by the exhaust shop we use a lot.
Will post some pics once they are installed onto the car.