ek gli with rear drum brakes WDF ?

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Originally Posted by Alvis

are drums really that bad compared to disks...?

no.

Pre-facelift grand vitara has rear drums, that fat thing stops really good.

they also have one of the worst safety ratings around for compact awd lol

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Originally Posted by TypeRice

how much did the conversion cost you? and do you notice n e differences whilst breaking?

cheers =)

they usually cost about $300 for all the parts from honbits
the difference is night and day - depends on how you drive tho
if its a daily - u prob wont notice - but if its track/street - or has more power than stock than yes it will make a big difference

I dunno why everyone is going on about how shit drums are, how they should be illegal, fucking do some research.

drums actually have more stopping power. the surface area is a LOT more than discs. more surface area means more friction and better stopping.

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Originally Posted by TheSaint

yeah i have to use engine braking alot more with drums

i think going from a Dc2 with ABS and discs all round to an EG with no ABS and rear drums - you really notice the difference

They arent maintenance free, maybe you need to change the wheel cylinders and put new shoes on. Youd be amazed at the difference.

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Originally Posted by mugen_ctr

Spot on, which means i gotta fork out more for good seats an a proper rear brake setup, wish id gotten a em1 from the start now that i look back

Drums are very limited i found, they tend to not provide the correct brake balance an power when going into a corner, i dont feel the back end stop at all, feels uncomfortable, seems that all the front brakes are doin all the job, now as far as i know, yea fwd do have that trait, but from my car, it seems the back end brakes do nothing at all...

How can you feel the back not stopping? your car is all one piece, its not articulated in the middle, you wouldnt be able to tell. As for the fronts doing all the work, well this is what ahppens anyways. Factory brake bias isnt 50/50. Notice how the car pitches forwards under braking? I it was 50/50 then the rears would lock up everytime you stomped on the brakes. Its closer to around 70/30.

But Im assuming youre talking about doing a bit of spirited driving, getting on and off the brakes a fair bit, and this brings me to my next point.

Drums they are bad at heat dissipation, so no good for track, or spirited driving. Big solid bits of metal that absorb all the heat of braking, then have a hard time releasing it. This would be why your brakes are feeling shit. Its called brake fade.

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Originally Posted by mugen_ctr

Nope, all 4 brakes have to be used to stop the car safely, which is why its best to have disc all around... drums are cheap an very old fashion, they dont have the required stopping power as any disc's

Youre talking out of your arse here. Read what i said up there about brake bias, and the power of drums.

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Originally Posted by Alvis

maybe a little off topic - but I saw a friends NEW 2010 Ford Fiesta and it had drums on the rears! It's like year 2010 (well, 2011 now) and i can't believe manufacturers like Ford - we're not talking Great Wall here - are still producing cars with drums. Should be illegal IMO.

... we'll give you a car that has stability control, ABS etc but you get drums at the rear WTF honestly

another great example of not knowing what youre talking about. Drums have great stopping power, but are susceptible to fade with repeated stops. I doubt youd be doing this in a base model Fiesta.

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Originally Posted by mugen_ctr

I jus realized my old my post where lol, 3 months later, i done the conversion, couldnt be more happy :D, and also the ej8 uses the same prop valve as em1, so no need to swap the prop valve over....

have u ever watched a race? notice that they all have disc brakes? its all about balance when it comes to brakes

Yep, a balance of about 70/30. And adjustable too, so they can move it to the front as the fuel load burns off and the car gets lighter in the rear.

But its also again, the heat dissipation issue.

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Originally Posted by TypeRice

Why so? isnt the rear breaks only used when you apply the handbreak, which is only when you are parking??? makes no diff to your driving as it uses your front breaks whilst driving?

http://pic.phyrefile.com/n/na/narf/2...4/facepalm.jpg

thread ender lol

+1 rep

Doesnt standard Honda Prop valve (4040) keep it fairly even at light braking but progressively puts more fluid to the front the harder you brake, so the rear doesnt lock up and spin out

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Trism - he says what you cant be fukt to say because we all have lives and have better things to do than to prove randomz wrong on ozhomo;)

Chriskoss- he makes pointless replies to a thread, trying to call someone out and say they don't have a life, but only succeeds in contradicting his own post.

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When you have a missus, a kid, and a job you get good at time management

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