AUDM vs USDM K24 in Euro

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Originally Posted by praja6

............Also BMW is another expensive one, my friend's mom's 07 BMW 5 series needed to change new battery and dealer charged $1200 for it...

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I think if a person can afford a 5 series, which is around $100k new, the person should have accepted the fact that it is an expensive car to maintain, else a Yaris with capped servicing is the cheapest way to go :p

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Originally Posted by Type R Positive

But in the real world, skoda is crap. Very poor resale, very unknown brand.

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Skoda was established in 1859, as an arms manufacturer, I'm sure a lot of Europeans know this brand well... Honda was established in 1948, around a decade younger.

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Originally Posted by tony1234

True.Might be a good car and a nice drive but if retained value is shit then it's not a good buy.

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I wonder how much $$,$$$ an AMG C63 depreciates in the first year.... yet I see some many of this car around. A good buy? I guess these AMG buyers don't care too much on resale values and spend most of their time making a lot more $$$$$$

In many boys toys, there are products for each market segment.
Budget segment: Kia, Hyundai - these buyers look at cars as a mean of getting from A to B, for them a car is a car and are quite happy to join goget.com.au, a carshare rental, if they live close enough to a council provided car pod.
Middle segment: Honda, Skoda - these buyers like getting from A to B with some fancy, some luxury, some comfort, some excitement; without breaking the bank
Premium segment: Lexus to Bentley - these buyers want to travel from A to B in Hollywood / Mafia / Yakuza style :p

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Originally Posted by Type R Positive

LOL! Take a look on carpoint. New Octiva DSG's are going for over $40k. Second hand '09 models are going for $22k. As I said, POOR!

Leyland P76 won COTY too.....

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WHICH DSG are you talking about? they all come with DSG's... for 40k you are looking at a RS version (aka GTi on the cheap).

A brand new MY11 Octavia is $30.5k drive away RRP with DSG.
Back in 2009 the 1.8 Turbo Octavia with DSG is only 33k

And that 22k car you refer to on carpoint is a fraud, and the photos are stock/press photos from caradvice.com.au.

even if thats a real deal, it only presents a which is a 30% depreciation, $11k Dep

You can get an 2009 Euro Auto Std for $28k when it's $36k RRP new back then, a 24% depreciation. $8k Dep

Difference of 6%.

According to Fuel cost calculator http://www.ahgwa.com.au/fuel_calculator.php
If both cars travel 20000km per year, 15000km(288km/w) on city and 5000k(96km/w) on highway, assuming petrol is 140ct /ltr
The Skoda 1.8TSI will save you $615 every year
Also See my spreadsheet above on servicing costs... and tyres (16 inch vs 17 & 18 inch...)

The cost difference aint that great if you taken in all the factors.

...Not to mention the savings on greenhouse emissions.

Used to be an accountant.... I can bang on all day throwing numbers around

Fredops

What car are you getting to replcae ur 03 CL9?

What do you think of a Calais V V8? RRP is scary but you really pay around $50k driveaway for a brand new unit. Leather, sat nav, etc. & 260kw/510nm can't go wrong. ADR81 FC: 12.2l/100km. Happy with RON91.

EDIT: Example of a brand new MY10 $48k driveaway (damn.. getting close to Euro Lux Navi): http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/...ords=&__N=1216 1246 4294965857 4294965739 246&SearchAction=N&silo=1011&seot=1&tsrc=allcarhom e&__Nne=15&trecs=75&__sid=127D7BD39756

EDIT (Again): Redline Series (Brembo brakes!) $51k driveaway: http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/...ords=&__N=1216 1246 4294965857 4294965739 246&SearchAction=N&silo=1011&seot=1&tsrc=allcarhom e&__Nne=15&trecs=75&__sid=127D7BD39756

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Originally Posted by boleh

Fredops

What car are you getting to replcae ur 03 CL9?

What do you think of a Calais V V8? RRP is scary but you really pay around $50k driveaway for a brand new unit. Leather, sat nav, etc. & 260kw/510nm can't go wrong. ADR81 FC: 12.2l/100km. Happy with RON91.

EDIT: Example of a brand new MY10 $48k driveaway (damn.. getting close to Euro Lux Navi): http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/...ords=&__N=1216 1246 4294965857 4294965739 246&SearchAction=N&silo=1011&seot=1&tsrc=allcarhom e&__Nne=15&trecs=75&__sid=127D7BD39756

EDIT (Again): Redline Series (Brembo brakes!) $51k driveaway: http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/...ords=&__N=1216 1246 4294965857 4294965739 246&SearchAction=N&silo=1011&seot=1&tsrc=allcarhom e&__Nne=15&trecs=75&__sid=127D7BD39756

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I"m looking at either the new VW Passat or the Skoda Superb.
Something larger inside than the Euro but drink less and emits less greenhouse gas.

as much as I like the GM Gen V8's, commodores or falcons just isnt my thing.

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Originally Posted by Fredoops

I"m looking at either the new VW Passat or the Skoda Superb.
Something larger inside than the Euro but drink less and emits less greenhouse gas.

as much as I like the GM Gen V8's, commodores or falcons just isnt my thing.

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Fredoops, you should find some useful info on the Skoda here:

http://www.vwwatercooled.org.au/f86/

I'm currently watching Top Gear and Jeremy Clarkson gives a lot of AAAA on a Skoda Yeti (a Tiguan in Skoda face I think).

Topgear review was very tongue in cheek. Hammond and May nailed it when they both said the Skoda is an old mans car. Though if a Skoda can race against an ancient Ferrari and win it must be fast right. Though if it's better than a $500,000 pound Maybach you'd be mad not to buy it. A Skoda would appreciate in value as you drive it out of the dealer. With better economy and cheaper to run than a scooter. There'll be a rush on them soon, so don't miss out and go get one

Im not buying a yeti, speaking about the Yeti, its better than any softroader Honda/Toyota/Nissan can throw at it. It leaves CR-V dead in just about every category.

Back to topic about the Euro, unless Honda brings the 2.2 turbo diesel type-s into the country, I see no benefit of my getting a Cu2 what-so-ever at my price range.

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Originally Posted by Fredoops

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AS to the servicing cost thingy below are some interesting data from carservice.com.au, I took the high end of cost spectrum.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2.../Servicing.jpg

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I just rang Rick Damelian to get my CU2 first 6mths/7,500kms service quote, $303 with semi syn Catrol Magnatec (they use $35 oil which can be bought at Supercheap).

I paid $420 for my 118TSI first year/15,000kms service using full syn Castrol SLX Professional II (>$100 the oil alone and only sold at VW service / parts).

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Originally Posted by natnat

I just rang Rick Damelian to get my CU2 first 6mths/7,500kms service quote, $303 with semi syn Catrol Magnatec (they use $35 oil which can be bought at Supercheap).

I paid $420 for my 118TSI first year/15,000kms service using full syn Castrol SLX Professional II (>$100 the oil alone and only sold at VW service / parts).

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Hmm Honda dealers buy their oil in huge barrels, so it's like $15 dollar worth of oil at most.

Get Honda dealer to quote you service with the Honda FEO ultra syn..... it's $70 extra or so (read: even if you are using your own oil, we'd still charge you for the Castrol Magnetic which we will not be using).

Honda wants you to see the dealer twice a year. Its like going to see the in-laws which you hate... twice a year.... only that the Honda dealer will cost you more.

Fredoop,

I asked the HOnda dealer why honda service is every 6months interval and other car such as Camry are like 1yr or 15k... The dealer told me, especially for Accord Euro its made in Japan and its made for japan and other european good standard roads, not designed for australian rough roads.. Thats why the service interval is every 6months or 10k. However for Camry and Falcodore made in Austalia for the Australian tough roads condition, thats why it has longer service interval. He even pointed out me, Corolla made in japan is 10k service interval and BMW and Mercedes are now change the service interval with tricky term "COndition Based" not 20k interval anymore..

I said hmmm, ohh okk, but still i feel like Honda try to rip off from customer...

I don't know it may be true for aussie built vehicles like camry/aurion/falcon/commodore they made for local conditions... hmm..

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Originally Posted by Type R Positive

But in the real world, skoda is crap. Very poor resale, very unknown brand.

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I think that any car that isn't sold throughout the country is doomed to poor resale. The importer probably thinks it's a "niche" market brand that only certain types in the population would buy. There are other factors at play as well; such as how often the car is in for a warranty claim etc.... On the other hand, they have to develop a market slowly.

Skoda isn't sold in the NT. But the local Honda dealer sells VW. They're becoming more popular but if you talk to the service personnel and ask which brand has the lowest warranty claims, they'll tell you that Honda has by far less claims.

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Originally Posted by praja6

Fredoop,

I asked the HOnda dealer why honda service is every 6months interval and other car such as Camry are like 1yr or 15k... The dealer told me, especially for Accord Euro its made in Japan and its made for japan and other european good standard roads, not designed for australian rough roads.. Thats why the service interval is every 6months or 10k. However for Camry and Falcodore made in Austalia for the Australian tough roads condition, thats why it has longer service interval. He even pointed out me, Corolla made in japan is 10k service interval and BMW and Mercedes are now change the service interval with tricky term "COndition Based" not 20k interval anymore..

I said hmmm, ohh okk, but still i feel like Honda try to rip off from customer...

I don't know it may be true for aussie built vehicles like camry/aurion/falcon/commodore they made for local conditions... hmm..

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I think service interval has more to do with the tolerances used by the manufacturer. The German brands use the onboard computer to assess from 'car use data' when the next service should be. If you drive within certain parameters then you can expect longer service intervals. Things that reduce the service intervals include stop-start traffic, short trips, cold ambient temperatures, hot ambient temperatures, long periods idling, extended periods at high revs in low gears, extended periods lugging the engine in high gear, etc. Honda has selected the lowest common denominator 10K/6 month service interval to cover all and introduces 5K/3 month intervals for extra poor treatment.

I think that in Europe, Honda come with the same 'condition based' servicing as do the German cars. We just don't get that option here; just like we don't get many other gadgets/devices that Honda sells in overseas markets.