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Note: Finally in regards to the topic 215 whp....
My friend and I are about to unleash a monster on Australian roads...
Basic info::::
1) Civic
2) 84.5mm Custom block
3) Toda/Jun
Will release more info in about 2 months...
Or alt see you at the drag strip
I'm going to start with a disclaimer : I mean no offense by this post.
I find today that some more enthusiastic car lovers tend to look to power over other characteristics which make a car great...
I've skimmed this thread a couple of times and simply said (and please refer back to the disclaimer) if you're not sure what it takes to build a 230 HP all motor engine, then i'm quite sure that 230 HP would be lost on you... there are a lot of experts on this forum who do this sort of tuning on a day to day basis and biggie up to you guys cos you make cars and driving and dyno days fun for every one of us... but i say leave this sort of tuning AND cars to the experts... the last thing anyone needs is another person wrapping their car around a pole...
Having said by all means that prove me wrong... i'm all for keeping Razz Tech and Adrian (Toda-Au) in a job so they can keep helping us LOL
man i wrote a half page reply to this post...and lost it, so let me summarise.Quote:
Originally Posted by type one
screw the disclaimer.
1. There are some of us that want to LEARN what is going in their car and how it functions as a system as opposed to laying down 20k and picking up a fully modified car 2 months later.
2. Just because we dont work with cars everyday, or in the industry DOES NOT mean that 230 hp would be lost on "US" (obviously the dumbass consumer). 230hp is reasonably impressive, especially allmotor for a street driven car,but in this day and age of forced induction it hardly gets a second look. So if we noobs can't appriciate 230hp well the scene has **** all to look forward to.
3. Yes quite a few of use realise that its not just about horsepower.. yes depending on your type of driving, gearing, power band, suspension setup, tyres, rim size, weight, if this was a post just for HP I would have entitled it, "How do I make 400HP allmtr and get it to work with mY fUllY s|cK ne0nS and wIcKeD m4d 3rD geAr vTaCK y0!"
4. This is a forum (hopefully) where people who are not "experts" can come and ask for advice and information to help them make informed decisions and not just take the word of someone who is trying to sell them products and a service anyway.
5. And wtf does modifying have to do with wrapping your car around a pole, common sense and acting like an asshat will wrap you around a pole, keep it on the track and you dont have poles to worry about.
/end disclaimer
com on stop the negativity please... back to the topic less personal issues???
No offence man...but 230whp is more than reasonably impressive for a NA 4 cylinder..... It would be too much power for the street in a FF setup.Quote:
Originally Posted by snowman95
1.) Learning is one thing, but a mechanics course is one hell of another thing. Learning to install a CAI is good, but how do you learn on a FORUM how to tune a 230HP beast?? I'm no mech expert so i am going to do a course... maybe you should do the same thing?? then ask some informed questions so you can learn at a faster rate...
2.) 230HP is not reasonably impressive, it is BLOODY impressive... to get 230HP out of an all N/A motor is BLOODY impressive... and MOST of us drive Honda's for N/A reality not turbo fantasy... so i am glad you're not thinking of jumping on the turbo bandwagon... that being said most of 'US' i think would appreciate a 230-250HP all motor beast.
3.) see answer to 2.
4.) See answer to 1.
5.) Simple logic would explain the likelihood of wrapping your car around a pole is proportionately related to the amount of power is in your hands... I doubt, but please tell me if i am incorrect that an integra with I/H/E producing possibly 108kw/atfw would lead a fully licensed driver to get into too much trouble, especially since you seem to be so level headed. Forgive me for caring about keeping good Honda's on the road and not in the wrecker (the wrecker is for Nissan and Toyota). BUT on the other hand 170kw/atfw... doesn't matter if you're on a track, or the road, will still get any driver into trouble...
6.) Good luck on your 230HP all motor beast... let us know when u have completed it, it will surely turn my head :)
I understand that, but (i have no personal experience with 200 whp ff's) but reading up on and speaking to people in the states with modified hondas, tuned properly 230 is extremely streetable.Quote:
Originally Posted by VTEC16
But that wasnt the point of that statement, 230 is very impressive allmotor for the bseries, BUT what im saying is that whats out there on the roads these days stock and modified, im sure most people have driven v8's and such, and although the weight to power is different etc etc (not taking into account fwd, rwd, NA or FI whatever) 230 hp is nothing, all im talking about is the number.
obviously not everyone can learn to TUNE a car, or swap a motor, the forums are here to help make informed decisions not ****ing tell us we cant appriciate shit cause we cant do it all ourselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by type one
original post
Out of curiosity
Ive got a 95 Integra Vtir
Short ram intake, k&n pod filter
4-2-1 Headers
Hi flow cat
2.5 full exhaust
havent had it dyno'd or anthing yet, but what would be the next logical steps to get ~215-230 hp at the wheels?
cams, tb, intake manifold etc? and in what order?
its a general, question, i wanted to get some GENERAL information for an obviously too high a horsepower goal. It would help me to get some direction to see what sort of budget i would need, IF it is viable for what i want, read up learn what the various mods would do before commiting to something and if u see it says ~ (that means approximately 215-230) i dont know why ur hung up on the upper numbers.
and regarding the pole thing that is the most ****ed up reasoning i have ever heard, (its for nissans and toyotas) if you cared so much, it would be for your fellow enthusiasts, and how would you get into trouble on the roads if you followed the rules? m4d streEt rAciNg Y0?!
and that proportional power thing, theres enough v8's and hi-po imports on the road to prove ur statement wrong there pal.
and regarding your last statement, thanks champ, but you can keep your smarmy attitude and comments. If you're not here to help with the topic, post elsewhere.
:roll:Quote:
Originally Posted by snowman95
What can i say?
Seven, One-hundred and seventy three point one-five-nine, two thousand-nine hundred and eighty three.
Those numbers are just as relevant.
Sorry mate, you are lost.
why is he lost? he just asked what it woudl take to make a certain power?
cummon man - work with me here. Numbers dont mean anything. I dont have to paraphrase everything that has been said. Read it yourself and then post. not vice versa.