97 Vti-R vs The new Corolla Sportivo

Hi guys,

toyota has a few mis-truths in the public today about the sportivo..why ?? No idea

1) the weight of the car is closer to 1180...this has been put to the test by a few sportivo owners. The cars had a full load i.e. petrol, spare in da boot etc. So how toyota got 1224 i have no idea.

2) claim of a 0-100 time of 8.4. Top gear in england achieve 7.8, a danish magazine achieved a 7.7 and a greek magazine achieve a 7.3. Had some people take a sportivo to a test track and depending on shifting style record different times. With flat shifting i.e. foot on the gas at all times 3 times were recorded 6.9, 7.1, 7.2. Normal shifting the times were 7.4, 7.55 and 7.6.

Again no idea why the mis-conceptions but it has created a lot of controversy.

meh who cares, id never buy a corolla, but thats just me.

and if u won against a civic thats cool, and if u didnt thats cool. all is good, but tis even better if its a honda ;)

There is a point in revving past the peak torque/power point... i think... in my understanding (whihc is limited as i admit), the torque curve doesnt fall down a cliff -like tangent after 7600... it drops down slowly, which is i think a better "rev range"than shifting straight away to the next gear to wait for vtec...

but...i could be wrong

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Originally Posted by SiR

Sportivo = 1224kg
VTi-R (coupe) = 1114kg

Similar weight?!?!

OK..... :?

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I had a quick look at the toyota website... although I couldnt find the sportivo, the corolla 4 door ultima hatch has a kerb weight of 1105-1175. I just assumed the sportivo would be similar.

the other thing is, magazine 0-100kmh tests are about as accurate and consistant as Joe Blow timing it with his casio wristwatch on the street.

The cars that journo's get to perform their tests on can vary from brand spanking new to thrashed to the sh!thole condition.

Add to that certain magazines run their cars with half a tank, some with 2 people and a full tank, some use flatchanges (which no one ever does anyway) and some don't launch properly, so comparing 0-100kmh times between different cars is a very unreliable comparison.

i second that opinion... just cos some fatty works for motor or wheels or whatever doesnt mean he drives fast... and even if he does he might not thrash it cos the manufacturer lent the car to him

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Originally Posted by **Ghost**

There is a point in revving past the peak torque/power point... i think... in my understanding (whihc is limited as i admit), the torque curve doesnt fall down a cliff -like tangent after 7600... it drops down slowly, which is i think a better "rev range"than shifting straight away to the next gear to wait for vtec...

but...i could be wrong

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Ghost, i just pulled out my dyno chart of my EK4. the torque band is pretty much flat after 6000rpm, infact the torque curve is pretty much flat all the way through the rev range, with it peaking close to 8000rpm.

there is an argument for shifting past peak power rpm. (remember, once you past peak power and the power drops off, you are actually accelerating slower), and its done only if acceleration after the peak power would be faster than shifting up into the next gear.

but tests have shown that it is faster to shift at redline in the EK4 rather than to hang on until the revlimiter. Also, if you shift at redline on the EK4, the next gear will always be in the Vtec range, its only in the DC2 integra VTi-Rs that have a problem with dropping out of vtec range from the first to second gear shift.

Chris

would I be able to convince u to send me a copy of that dyno sheet? i've actually been looking for one!!! plssssssssssssssssssss

yeah, pm me with your email address. i'll see if i can scan it or take a picture of it with my digital camera. The car wasnt standard at the time tho.

hey! interestin stuff, may i ask what forums u corolla boys are from?? would be interesting just to read about the opposition ;0

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Originally Posted by xoom

Now after my chip ran another new integra type-r. Even though i absolutly buggered the start and slipped to have my bonnet at his rear wheel NOT ONLY DID I PULL HIM BACK IN BUT I PASSED HIM @ END OF FORTH GEAR. :D :D .

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Hi Xoom....

Just wondering what type of chip you installed into your corolla and also what other mods u have done to your car at that time?
Good job beating the ITR. :D

have u ever taken your car down to the strip for a real life time? :?:

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Originally Posted by xoom

Hi guys,

toyota has a few mis-truths in the public today about the sportivo..why ?? No idea

1) the weight of the car is closer to 1180...this has been put to the test by a few sportivo owners. The cars had a full load i.e. petrol, spare in da boot etc. So how toyota got 1224 i have no idea.

2) claim of a 0-100 time of 8.4. Top gear in england achieve 7.8, a danish magazine achieved a 7.7 and a greek magazine achieve a 7.3. Had some people take a sportivo to a test track and depending on shifting style record different times. With flat shifting i.e. foot on the gas at all times 3 times were recorded 6.9, 7.1, 7.2. Normal shifting the times were 7.4, 7.55 and 7.6.

Again no idea why the mis-conceptions but it has created a lot of controversy.

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You have your own misconception

The aussie spec Sportivo is totally different to any other version in the world.

Ask Rick Bates

hmmm funny 1 that 1. Well considering that these are all produced from the 1 factory i.e. south africa ..with from what ive been told the occasional 1 produced from japan... how do i know this ??? well ive had lengthy conversations with the people at toyota, their management, tech staff, performance houses i find it hard that the OS ones are different but anyway playing with your idea that they are different. Explain 2 me how ? other than appearance they all share the 2ZZ engine, the same gear box, ratio's etc etc etc so tell me how r they different....oh wait they have a space saver n we have a full mag as a spare, their head lights appear to be different than ours, the front skirt is slightly different than our own, yes the europeans do get a chance to get their hands on a 3 door as opposed to our 5 door but as yet all confirmations/communication that ive had with people in europe state that even the 3 doors weight is the same as the 5 door....but hmmm u must be right with that for sure they must perform better than ours.... PLEASE...by now u must realise i am being sarcastic. If you havent noticed ...do some research every single toyota website around the world claims an 8.4 0-100 time for the sportivo or t-sport or RunX no matter what varient. Have spoken with dealers in south africa directly as well to confirm other things about the car .... So you can make your claim or have your own opinions BUT how about u consider the facts first. Oh did i let it slip to early that there is a concept called the "world vehicles" in toyota's stream of work which involves a 4x4 turbo corolla which involves several toyota cars world wide to be exactly the same...manufactorers are learning the hard way that they can just tea up consumers with dodgy after market products...HONDA is a perfect example explain to me what the ITR in japan is all about like 167kw, more torque etc but yet our ITR is only the equivilant of a lower model in the US whats going on there ????? So now u tell me who's cars overseas perform differently the example i just gave u is pretty obvious so i hope u cant miss it...hmmm must be y honda is ending its type-r brand ????

Now if ur gona take a dig at someone b prepared to have someone take a dig at u. PPL can post what ever u want on a forum but if ur full of crap well then ur only having urself on

Xenon: i have a unichip installed and breathing mods. How done a few other touch ups since then but lets not tell no 1 ;-)