DA6 - 134kws - 14.2 @ 172
Thats the only time it has clocked with full street trim.
It will be getting a Hondata S300 by the new owner hopefully. Then will be interesting to see what it can do.
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DA6 - 134kws - 14.2 @ 172
Thats the only time it has clocked with full street trim.
It will be getting a Hondata S300 by the new owner hopefully. Then will be interesting to see what it can do.
You sure about that time? Seem very off, did the guy get like a 2.6 60ft time running on nangkangs with 40psi in the tyres or something?Quote:
Originally Posted by BaNaNaMaN
14.2@106mph. with that MPH that's good for a high 12 sec pass, especially in a LS teg.
At least the mph backs up the dyno graph.
You are quiet right.Quote:
Originally Posted by barefootbonzai
Car was not fully run in. Hopefully the new owner takes advantage and uses this car for the purpose it was built.Quote:
1st run 96mph and 2nd run 107 mph with no 4th gear
As far as I know Corey old DA6 PB was 13.1 sec with his b16a back in the days. Very quick b16a on da6 chasisQuote:
Originally Posted by BaNaNaMaN
Nice to know Marc Scully have his own dyno @ Beyond Motorworks :)
thanks,i hadnt read any of this thread except last page, il check it outQuote:
Originally Posted by TODA AU
looks like a kiwi car???
Quote:
Originally Posted by BaNaNaMaN
Beyond Motorworks ( Auckland NZ )
Was tuned at Beyond. The car doesn't belong to Mark.
Mark is selling his MAD EK turbo at the moment tho :)
Nice MPH :)....
Lot of potential
well i seen waggy's car come into the dyno shop yesterday and well i can't accually believe it even made it.
stalled at high rev's, no v-tech, and would not idle properly to tell ou the truth i would be imbaressed if i was the previous tuner of waggy's car.
Now james has a very different way of tunning but at the end result the car idled, the high cams changed over no problems basically the car was very good (i'd be happy with the way it turned out) The dyno in other hands i do believe was out (as informed by the owner of the dyno shop) so the numbers on waggy's graph wont represent how good the car is now, But going of my run on the dyno and a run on another dyno same day
dyno X i made 88kw@ wheels (same dyno that waggy's car was tuned @)
dyno Y i made 113kw@ wheel (car was run same day within 1hour apart nothing on the car was changed and i even made sure the car was strapped the same and also the dyno was the same(model). the dyno also had previously had been serviced and calibrated earlier that week
the only thing that was different was the the power runs my car had done were all in third gear, when waggy's car was tuned in 4th and when they did do a power run it was (and i could be wrong) 91kw @ wheels
So i i'd say way waggy's car is good for around 116kw@ wheels
we had a quick run and his car pulled away from every time with eaze.
test n tune this friday so hopefully waggy can make it down there and put it on the strip
Judging by your MPH the power output seems about right. Just have to wait and see down the strip aye?
I made 102.9kw atw a while back on pro-tech's dyno. just at a dyno day.
Engine: B16a (not b16a2 :p)
Mods:
cold air intake + K&N pod
5Zigen 4-2-1 headers
buddyclub pro spec III cat back
AC Delco hi flo cat
Exedy lightweight flywheel
Internals all stock
Stock ECU
No tune as such, just bolt on's for now.
Next year is when the focus turns to power...:D
Um i guess maybe to put it in perspective there was a stock corrolla sportivo there that put down 111kw atw which was the lowest reading of all the corrolla's. (there were a few)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...dida4gjanb.jpg
149@the wheels
Engine. B16a1
Mods.
Pipercross panel filter.
ITR throttle.
ITR cams.
Supersprint header 2" collector.
Custom 2 1/4" exhaust.
Remapped OBD0 ecu.
(exhaust cam was retard 2 degrees, forgot to put it back to zero)
Wife's EF8
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...llingtracy.jpg
B16a
Mods.
None, bone stock with CAT.
155hp stock...
Freak motor heheh....
155hp is about 185 hp at the engine - cant see how a 19 year old engine is making more power thank it had stock lol.
Unless a HUB dyno ? or in shoot out mode ?
yeah agreed... he's from UK though... same dyno readouts as USA methinks.Quote:
Originally Posted by bennjamin
correcto. Its all in the dyno......
The graph from my Civic VT b16a1 is,
180 @the flywheel
149 @ the wheels.
The other graph is from my wifes EF8, bone stock.
155 @the flywheel.
129 @ the wheels (IIRC)
I only recognise DD RR figures.
Whats DD RR figures???
What u run at the track dude
Dyno dynamics RR.Quote:
Originally Posted by locote
My best in the Civic is a 14.53 @94mph, no lsd on street tyres, I weigh 238lbs.
thats a nice time there.
ever thoguht about changing the collector of your header and getting a slightly bigger exhasut? that may help u a little more aswell :)
was at calder last nite and best run i could do on shit tyres with no tread was a 15.3
will post up time slip later 2nite
15.3 whats was ur term speed..
post up your slip...
i got like 12kw less than u atw but my times are in the low 14s....
with 2.3s 2.4s 60fts..
Im using near illegal 185/60/14s. stoxk suspencion so when i launch my rear squats and i have no weight on the front...
My car is hard to launch, i have less power than you, but im still 1 sec faster...
Are you sure there isnt a peice of wood under ur accelerator???
u forget my car weights like 1200+ with everything in it
and its only 1.6l dont have the torque up top
anyways i'll post up the time slip when i get home
man u gotta put ur car on a diet hahah...
How u get ur car so heavy??
factory kerb weight is 1115kg...
weighs nearly as much as my vp commo...
"factory weight" is just the car with no fuilds, petrol, me etc etc in it
i've got little extras like sound system, etc
im pretty sure kerb weight is the car with full weight. with everything minus passangers...
Anyways if unsure theres weight depots that will give u a weight of your car...
I always thought my car weighed 1070kg before i took it to a weight station and found out it weighed alot less...
Ok might as well post a graph since I started this thread back in the day....
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...E/DSC00908.jpg
Got retuned last Sat by Dyno Dave... power is alot smoother and the overall partial throttle driving experience is awesome.
The clean up of the X-over point is what made me V happy. Previously it was a pain to keep the car on the boil since Xover was @ 5900 or there abouts...... might have been a different story on how the car drove if I had a 4.7 FD.
Now with the fattened up midrange its dropping me right back in the meat of the midrange when upshifting, so alot easier to drive briskly. From 7000 to fuel cut.... well it speaks for itself.
I'll try to get down the 1/4 once I get the rear mount inserts done....
v.nice :)
Had my EM1 dynoed last weekend in QLD at Elite Automotive dyno day (Dyno Dynamics) at archafeild and got 100.9kw or 135.5hp to the front wheel
mods = Short ram intake with generic pod fillter, Magnaflow metal cat and 2.25 CAT back done by Right Price exhausts in Moss st Underwood QLD
all other engine bits are stock. Car running on Toyo T1R's and stock 15" rims 195/55 r15 Just got 2 T1R's in 205/50 R15 profile put on the front.
will be getting 5zeigen headers 4-2-1, will be interested to see the power gain...????
these are my 2 best time slips for the nite
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c2...7/SCAN0012.jpg
get your 60ft down to a 2.1 or 2.2 and you should get close to a 14sec pass.
Hmmm Your power figure doesnt really reflect the MPH?? i would assume you should get around 94-97MPH with 108kws
89mph...
Same as my GSi teg 110whp....
ran same times with similar 60ft...
98 EK-4
~CTR/ITR cams
~HKS adjus. cam gears
~Mugen 4-1
~2 1/4" catback?
~vafc2 tuned
~Mugen intake
107kw @ wheels
I was told this by the previous owner..
Before Tune at Toda.
98.2kw atw
96 ej8 b16a2 coupe
stock internals
plazmaman cai with k&n pod filter
crome ecu (UN TUNED)
type r clutch & flywheel
x-force 4-2-1
2.25 inch exhaust madrel bend double braided flex
& hi flow glass cat
untuned ? like ur running base map ? LOL
That was one of our tuner (DD) slightly modified map for the B16a. I guess the result speaks for itself. Good results, congrats
Considering the same or better power would be achived a dead stock ECU...Quote:
Originally Posted by Benson
Yes the result really does speak for itself.
how come you didn't do back to back testing to justify your statement?Quote:
Originally Posted by TODA AU
just curious, why would adrian have to justify his statement ?
blabla's power output is nothing to be impressed about. Plenty of b16a's with stock ecu's with same mods more or less are putting out as much if not more than his figures. all you have to do is look back at the previous pages and you'll see the large amounts of ridiculous dyno figures. plus bla bla has a slightly modified map, suggesting it isnt stock/base map.
p.s i think his experience with hondas and tuning speak for itself.
i had a feeling it is not very good result. :(
A friend of mine said that i should try and run b16b mapping would this work?
Why not just pay to get it tuned correctly?,as you know its a BASE MAP to make the car drive not a map to drive around on forever and get it dynoed and then get everyone to make comments when the output is ok/not perfect. AFR's are way off to suit your setup for good results.Quote:
Originally Posted by blabla
ALLMTR996
^^:thumbsup:, blabla your friend obviously doesnt know what he is talking about. bad advise. Besides power means squat.Quote:
Originally Posted by ALLMTR996
This thread has been a pissing contest from day one.
TRUE!!! so everyone should go to the TODA dyno day so it's an even playing field.. same dyno same day if people wanna compare...
Quote:
Originally Posted by kayot1k
Geee thanks.... my intentions from "day one" as you say where basically to see what gains others where getting, and even expressed that comparisions between dynos here in Aus were to be ignored.Quote:
Originally Posted by kayot1k
lol look at all the experts
don't worry mate don't think anyones having a go at you... deep down inside everyones curious about their pride and joy...
admittedly before getting my Honda, I spent countless late night hours looking for such threads to get an idea of potential... to see what mods do what to power and A/F... but thats only if people actually posted dyno sheets...
regardless how variable the oh so chased peak power is, the general powerbands look the same/similar with similar setups....
Quote:
Originally Posted by SPEEDCORE
is the toda day still happening?
So far, yes it is. (Most likley on 30th March)Quote:
Originally Posted by fatboyz39
We need to get confirmed numbers to make the day worth while.
We'll be doing the header test in any case.
Dyno day thread is here:
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthr...23#post1559823
Car: 94 CRX
Engine: B16A2
Mods: Cai with K/N pod, TODA Spec B cams, TODA valvesprings, crappy 4-1 headers, 2.5" custom exhaust with high flow cat, Tuned with EManage
Kw@ wheels: 110Kw
Dyno Type: Dyno Dynamics
Before people ask i wasn't given a dyno sheet but saw it on the screen, so up to you if you think its BS
nice.. i hope you come to the Toda dyno day to see the header shootout... maybe something will tickle your fancy to compliment the rest of the setup to replace said crappy 4-1s:thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by redinteg
whould love too mate but i'm down in Victoria, hope someone does a bit of a write up on it ;)
Car: EG civic
Engine: B16a
Mods: ITR cams, CTR style pistons, Crappy Ebay 4-1 headers, 2.5 inch exhaust, ECu +tune
Power: 113kw @ Bel Garage Mainland Dyno
hummm...interestingQuote:
Originally Posted by redinteg
with the mods u got now should pull bout 120kw@fw imo
mine makes 108kw@fw without the cams and valvesprings...
Depends on how well the Dyno is calibrated and the weather etc etc etc
Yes, i was hoping for more but put it down to the dyno and a warm day,Quote:
Originally Posted by czy_sol87
but also suspect the tune wasnt very good....Vtec point set at 7k!? Whats the point of having 2 cam profiles if you only use one for 1krpm.
I realy need to make the mission to Melbourne and get somone who realy knows honda's to tune it.
I think you have over cammed your engine, Toda B cams are too big for stock B16a
too many variables, you can only really compare them on the same dyno,
and to be consistent run one after the other.
yeah i think a retune is in order.
7k vtec is abit too high. Most people have earlier vtec point rather than ones that late.
Just rem that the first profile on nearly all aftermarket cams are the same as stock.
Your holding onto a stock profile about 2k past its due efficiency.
Quote:
Originally Posted by redinteg
AFAIK Toda B cams use a rather large idle cam profiles. Also with stock compression its not surprising that the idle cam is making more power than the VTEC cam at such a high rpm since the dynamic compression with the larger spec cam profile would be very low.Quote:
Originally Posted by Limbo
i thought it was only spec C that had a different first profile?
Im pretty sure both spec B and C use same idle profile, perhaps Toda_AU could clarifyQuote:
Originally Posted by Limbo
Just find someone knows how to phase your cam...
Spec B for stock engine? you'll be happy not to lose any power...
sounds like i need some cam gears and CTR slugs, or whould just a thinner head gasket raise the compression enough?
My mechanic seems to think someone has shaved a bit off the head in an attempt to raise compession also, and that whould explain the date engraved on the head, thats has been a mystery to me since i bought the car.
yeah you gyus are right... according to Adrian/Toda_Au TODA Bs have modified low cam profiles too so the vtec shouldn't be set that high even though it apparently makes power upto 9krpm... even then you'd want your engine to be able to rev that high... it's generally safe to do so if you have the springs too...
your mechanic should have done a cylinder compression check prior to switching the cams.. if it was still the stock 10.4:1 CR and stock valvetrain cylinder compression should be around 220psi each... afaik the ITR B18c7s are around 240psi per cylinder for 11:1 CR with the ITR cams.
Can't do this test anymore with upgraded cams because the dynamic CR would have changed as a result of the cam profile overlaps.
Quote:
Originally Posted by redinteg
ok yesterday i went to a dyno comp at mazfix i ended up quite confused now i know many might think my previous pull of 108.9kw untuned is a bit high.
Many may think this proves it but yesterday my car only pulled 124.2hp or 92kw that is a 17kw drop.
The only difference i made was to take the filter off my injen intake and mount a bellmouth in my bumper
I'm basically putting this down to Different dyno, shouldn't have taken the dyno proven filter off, the car now has 220,000kms and the last and worste my mrs thrashes it when cold.
looks like its time for a new engine or a rebuild but in the mean time can anyone confirm my reason for the loss or add anything interesting
i think your on the right track about different dynos.
and your mrs isn't helping either lol. (thats why hannah never drivers my car lol)
New engine ftw!!!
Different dyno, weather, changing the filter and your car may have been dynoed in say 3rd for your 108kw run and 4th in your latest.Quote:
Originally Posted by ek4-guy
could it have anything to do with that they didn't pump the tyres to 40psi like last time.
lol i just went and checked because i didn't see them pump any tyres all day and even thoe the dyno printout said that my tyres had 40psi they are at 30 psi today
I'd defenently put it down to different dynos.
Dynos are not all universal as far as power output goes. They're more of a tool for tuning.
Could also be different atmos temps, pressure, humidity etc. Could be other little variables that could add to the different figure?
Have you noticed any loss of power over time? Maintain the motor frequently?
both runs where in 3rd gear
i have noticed its down on power of late but dint think it was that much
as for maintaining it ive been pretty bad of late because i know a new configeration will be comming soon
just check one left front was 30psi and right is at 26psi i dont think this would have effected anything to much but speaks loads about the dyno guys
yeah but it maybe correct.... does it feel like it's lost power... on an NA you will definately feel 17wkw loss/gainQuote:
Originally Posted by ek4-guy
it does feel like it lost but not 17kw that puts it back to nearly stock, i think in my haste to get a lil extra by taking the filter off i crueled myself
Archie from Mazfix was saying sometimes its better not to take the filter off and when i told him it was a injen cai his response "oh see there you go"
the dyno runs should have been done in 4th gear.
If the run was done in 3rd there would have needed to be a conversion done on your result to get it to read correctly. If the converson was incorrect then the reading would be off.
r
it's got on the sheet gear was 3rd i think all the runs were in 3rd
what gear did Mercury run them in?
lol ive lost the Mercury 108.9kw print out just like the power
Mercury Dyno Day, they used 4th gear.
it was done in 4th.
Don't know why these other guys did it in 3rd. Although 3rd would have returned a higher reading which is what makes me think theres a mistake in their calculations or their dyno is rooted.
most likely the Mercury was done in 4th gear that might explain you 17kw loss.
And yes they should be doing it in 4th gear as that is what the general standard is.
In relation to low tyre pressure, as the car gets hotter the tyre pressure will go up and give better readings.
Was it only 1 run?