btw, i thought the problem of creeking noise also hurting the life span of the clutch or other componenet. If this is true, does that mean lubing the MC from the inside of the car only solve the problem on the noise?
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btw, i thought the problem of creeking noise also hurting the life span of the clutch or other componenet. If this is true, does that mean lubing the MC from the inside of the car only solve the problem on the noise?
Wd40 Ftw!
I'm using the Honda OEM, installed in 2007, so it's the latest version. No, I haven't greased it since then. It was installed with graphite grease to delay creaking.Quote:
Originally Posted by ThEbLaCk
No, creaking doesn't affect the lifespan of the clutch.Quote:
Originally Posted by ThEbLaCk
WD40 damages rubber seals/gaskets.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bo0o0ost
did you grease the mc with graphite yourself or before it was installed in your car? did you do it yourself or got mechanic to install for you?
I complained about the problem just before warranty ran out. So I got it fixed by the dealer.Quote:
Originally Posted by ThEbLaCk
WD40 FTL then :cool:
Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
i had mine replaced under warranty on Dec 06, now it's back again with more noise and creaking.
The MC problem come back exactly after 12 months and 2 weeks time. The part itself has 12 months warranty and my car's warranty ran out in 07.
I have a feeling that it has more to do with lubing and humid temperature. i drive on freeway most of the time so clutching activities is a lot more less than those driving on suburban road, but the problem still come back in close to 12 months, i.e. during or after summer season.
Wow after reading this thread I am disgusted with what happened when i took mine to the dealer. I have 04 euro with about 60k on the clock. I was intermittently getting that 1st-2nd grind when changing gears and every now and then getting the creak.
Unfortunately when the test driver went out with me we couldn't re-create the problem. I explained to him that it was intermittent and didn't happen all the time but it happened enough for it to be a problem. After still being persistent and asking him to check the clutch out anyway he then went on to tell me that he had been with honda for more than X amount of years and he had never heard of any problem similar to this at all.
I really expected this large honda dealer to be a little more professional about an apparent known problem with 03/04 euro's. Instead he lies to me to make it seem like i have imagined this ridiculous issue. :thumbdwn:
Its hard to believe they've never heard of the problem, its quite common and there's a technical bulletin regarding this issue if I recall correctly.
Go to another dealer if they wont replace the master cylinder
The problem is that it happens at random times. So when I go out for the test drive they will assume that nothing is wrong when i can't re-create the problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by EuroDude
Refer the knucklehead to this thread,all 35 pages of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnni3
True although if its a common problem then they should take your word for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnni3
Nevertheless the best way to prove it is to leave the car at the dealers overnight, then arrive in the morning and show them. The creak usually happens first thing in the morning when cold.
After having my master cylinder and clutch pedal assembly replaced 4 months ago, the creak is back. It came during the past few days when it has been raining heavily. Anyways since my car is now out of warranty i just lubed the cylinder with some silicone spray. No more creaks. But i noticed a few things
1. Clutch seems very soft and spongy (i actually stalled several times)
2. Gear changes are ridiculously smooth. 1->2 has no grind at all and i can even get into 1st gear with no resistance at all at 25km/h without even double clutching.
When i changed my transmission fluid 5000km ago (there was no creaking) i didn't even feel any difference with my gear changes/clutch. I still got the occasional 1->2 grind. However with 2 squirts of silicone spray into the cylinder the difference is quite dramatic and very noticable. The gears seem very "loose" and smooth. Can anyone care to explain the impacts a bit of lube in the cylinder makes.
Thanks
mine is creaking now at 76,000 k's.
Its hard to believe they've never heard of the problem, its quite common and there's a technical bulletin regarding this issue if I recall correctly.
Anybody have a copy of the TSB for this problem?
I had the sane problem with my 06 with the creaking clutch and also a rough feeling through the clutch when engaging
I just got a wad of LM grease, spread it around the clutch shaft around the inner firewall/bulkhead and pushed grease in and around the grommet on the inner firewall/bulkhead and i have not had any creaking/rough feel in the clutch at all.
Just make sure you use a heap of grease and put it everywhere :p
My clutch is clicking more than creaking. No obvious change is clutch feel although the other day I stalled randomly. Car is coming up for 30k service, guess I'll get it checked out even if they just grease up the master cylinder.
on hills, moving from a stop, i get this "bruppp" sound, almost everytime now.Quote:
Originally Posted by blk05gli
That's your clutch release bearing. You tend to keep your foot on the clutch at the lights or like to blip the throttle to show off when the clutch is held down?Quote:
Originally Posted by blk05gli
The release bearing is meant to last the lifetime of the clutch material, so you replace it when you replace the clutch. But in your case, your bearing is prematurely worn.
hmmmm, i like to blip every now and then :p. So when i replace my clutch, the problem will be gone. nice to know its nothing too serious.Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
It's not serious now, but hopefully the bearing doesn't fail and explode/freeze. But yeah, once you get it changed, all will be good. Next time, blip with the clutch released, that should extend the life of the bearing (and what's left of the current one)Quote:
Originally Posted by blk05gli
I don't see what blipping the throttle has to do with the clutch/TOB. When you blip, you match the revs. How does increasing the engine speed wear out a TO bearing?
Some people like to have the car stationary, hold the clutch down and rev the engine up to show off. :) Doing that will wear out the clutch release bearing. That's much worse than holding the clutch down at the lights. I know someone else also with the same problem caused by the same reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by bmwbadboy
noted.Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
I had this issue 3 months after I bought the car. I took the car back to the dealer and they replaced the master cylinder. About 1 year later, it started creaking again, I took it back to the dealer and this time, they lubed it. It was ok for about 2 years, but just after the 3 year warranty ended, it started again!!!!
I bought WD-40 and tried to lube the paddle area and the master cylinder, but when I listened to the noise, it's actually coming from the engine bay area. I popped the hood, and asked my friend to press and let go of the clutch peddle and repeat this step until I find where the noise is coming from. And I found it (it's inside the middle section) and lube that part. It stopped creaking, but only lasted few days and it's happenening again.
I am going to take it back to the dealers, but I feel that there is nothing they can do to permanently stop this noise......
I agree that this is a problem that cannot be resolved. Engineering flaw
jooneth perhaps the slave cylinder on the gearbox is noisy.
bmwbadboy yes true, unless you re-grease it every few months. These master cylinders should have its own re-greasing mechanism of some sort, such as a small baloon filled with grease mounted on the cylinder that slowly releases grease into the spring area.
There are 2 creaks. One is on the master cylinder, which sounds like a spring catching onto something. Then there is the slave cylinder, which is a squeaking sound. Don't use WD40 as a lube. It was not made for that purpose. Get yourself some silicone lube for the master cylinder and lithium grease for the slave cylinder contact point.Quote:
Originally Posted by jooneth
Have experienced 2 random stalls lately, related to the creaking clutch?
No it shouldnt affect the drivetrain mechanically, it only makes a sound.Quote:
Originally Posted by power_of_dreams
Random stalling could be a main relay or ignition problem
You would think that Honda could have engineered a solution for defect, with so many people having a problem.
It's a third party-supplied part.Quote:
Originally Posted by bmwbadboy
Who and Where is best?
This happens on my EG, only on cold days though ? Go figure.. LOL, and if its a cold day and I drive it around, the squeeky noise goes when my engine warms up....
Go figure.
hey guys, i just got a second hand accord euro with 89k kms and it has this clicking sound at the end of the clutch pedal travel down to the floor. Sound starts half way, 3-4 clicks if i do it quick but only around 2 if i do it slow.
gonna take it to dealer monday coming up... it's an 03' so unless the car had a 5 year warranty (which i doubt) i'm screwed :(
anyone know which honda service centres are good in perth? im taking it to burswood honda.
Is it a crisp clicking sound? That is the switch that deactivates cruise control if you have it on.
Mine clicks when the engine isn't even on...
The clutch switch clicks irregardless of whether the engine is on or off. It clicks at the top. Is yours at the top or bottom?Quote:
Originally Posted by power_of_dreams
When it is close to the floor.Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
Just spray some Lithium Grease into the Clutch Master Cylinder (located under the steering wheel above the Clutch Pedal, and it should be fine for a few months. If you want it to last longer (say a year), you need to replace the cylinder, which is expensive unless u have warranty.Quote:
Originally Posted by noobler
Then you probably have the clutch master cylinder creak....Quote:
Originally Posted by power_of_dreams
I had my cylinder replaced like 8 months ago, now its creaking again :eek:
You'd think honda would solve this common issue by now. But then again, my civic had the same problem so perhaps its just something all Manual cars do..
hey guys,
I'm cancelling the service. Just sprayed heaps of food grade silicone that came with my treadmill into the clutch master cylinder using a small 2mm? pipe connector on the can. Doesn't make any noise at all now except for the small click at the top for the cruise control (which is normal from the sounds of it)!
Cheers for this awesome forum and post. I thought I bought a dud, now at least it's not noisy. Can't beat a $10 can of silicone lol.
Good stuff. $10 DIY beats a $200+ dealer repair anyday :p
hey guys,
I have the same problem with my fd civic, and i think its the same thing but the thing is i hear "rubbings" when i release the clutch slowly also...
Any ideas what the rubbings is?
rubbings?
I dunno, still not too sure but it could be the creaking but it seems to sound like rubber rubbing when i release the clutch..?
if you hit it with some silicone spray at the spot where you think it's making the noise you should fix it.Quote:
Originally Posted by FallenAngel
Mine started creaking about 2 months ago at about 36k and mentioned it when I put mine in for the 40k service a short while ago. The service manager said they "saw" it and they thought it was the clutch return spring (!). Well, if that fixes it and since it's under warranty it doesn't cost me I don't mind :p (Nordic Honda are good and in my experience don't screw up your car when they work on it so not worried about them doing the work).
Didn't mention anything about reading about it on the forums as the last time I mentioned that (re getting my battery replaced because it was having trouble starting the car after standing overnight) I could see them getting defensive. Can see their point as a) they don't know what you have been reading from where and b) we are telling them their job.
Not done yet, will advise short and later (of course) long term results.
i have a service coming up soon. I'm not 100% sure if it is the master cylinder (esp because I have an updated model), does anybody have a bulletin or recall notice I can print out and show them?
Updated model does not solve this problem. :) Let the dealer diagnose it. You just show them the creak.Quote:
Originally Posted by power_of_dreams
had it checked out, they said the clicking was due to the cruise control activation. If anything, it has gotten even worse now. Previously the click was more evident than the creak, but now its the other way around. When I'm changing gears I hear creaking, although I'm skeptical as to where it is coming from.Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
I have a squeaking drivers seat (which they would not fix as they said it squeaks only when the lumbar support is not used, and is not under warranty because it will not cause failure). I smell bs as dash rattles do not cause failure of components either. I think the only way to fix this is to replace the whole chair, and obviously they don't want to pay for it. So when I push clutch in, my back obviously presses against the seat for support and the creak may be due to this.
Alternatively, sometimes I feel the creak is coming from the shift linkage in the trasmission. When I go from 2nd -> 3rd, I can feel some resistance/creaking. Whether it's due to the plastic surrounds not sure.
Finally, it could of course be the clutch itself as has been discussed at length here.
Not too happy with the build quality. Always seems as one rattle goes, another comes to the fore.
Is your clutch problem a click at the top or the creak/click at the bottom?
I like someone else I read had the clutch clicking/creaking noise at around 36000km the first time. Honda replaced my clutch master cylinder under warranty, next service 50000km they replaced my clutch master cylinder again. To cut a long story short, I had my clutch master cylinder replaced under warranty 3 times. Each time it fixed the clicking noise and feel. Unfortunately it kept coming back. My Honda dealership said it was a known issue and they will continue to change it even after the car is out of warranty as it was reported and changed so many times under warranty. They tried lube etc but the only thing that fixed it each time was to replace the clutch master cylinder.
creak is only when pedal is nearly fully depressed (i.e. closest to the carpet). click comes before creak.Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
I had this problem with Mum's Euro for over 6 months.
I had the creaking noise and a spongy Clutch pedal.
When I was working in the dealership I had the workshop controller check it every 5000 when it was there for a service. he could never find a problem.
Eventually got them to bleed the master cylinder. As a hopeful fix Spongyness come back in about 2 weeks. Got a new master cylinder under warranty. Still had the creak. Got new pedal bushes done under warranty. I still have a noise there which is the cruise control switch on the clutch pedal.
There is a bulletin out for them leaking.
Rob
Mine wasn't just one creak. You could feel the creaks in the clutch pedal. There was no sponginess (if that's a word). It would occur from halfway depress to the carpet. Creak/click not near the top.
yeah I had the 2 issues. The master cylinder was a seperate problem to the creak. I'm still not happy with the clicking noise I have from the cruise control switch.
The fix for the creak was new pedal pushes in my case. When I was in Honda Parts we did 2 complete pedal boxes on them for this problem.
Rob
With new pedal bushes/new master cylinder/new entire clutch system, you will still have the cruise control switch click. Because IT IS NORMAL!Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob_A
My Euro's clutch pedal has just started creaking ;-(
I bought the car at ~70k, it has now done ~76k. Unfortunately it's out of warranty, so i'd prefer to fix it myself. I haven't read the previous 38 pages of this thread, but from what I can tell, it doesn't seem to be coming from the master cylinder. It sounds more like it's coming from the pedal hinge mechanism?
Has anyone been able to actually identify the real cause?
-Steve
Try lubring the hinge. If it helps, then its the hinge. Mine is from the master cylinder itself. I spray a bit of silicone lube into the hole that the piston goes into, and the creak goes away.Quote:
Originally Posted by EuroSteve
what spray lube do you use Mr Aaron?Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
CRC silicone spray. Bought from Bunnings. Comes in a spray can with a blue cap.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crapdaz
mine is bloody getting worse. stupid thing is it is at least 5x worse than when i got it fixed.
Hmm, any idea as to what a master cylinder is worth? I just looked at the Euro workshop manual, it doesn't look that hard to replace. Will try lubing the hinge first though! Thanks for the tip!Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
-Steve
Not sure, you'll have to ask the dealer... let us know how much though!Quote:
Originally Posted by EuroSteve
Sorry to bring up an old thread but my clutch pedal has been creaking for the last three months and is getting to me...
I have a 03euro and the warantee is out. I have lubed it numerous times but the problem comes back in 2-3 days.
I have filtered through most of the previous 39pages and it seems to be happening on most 03-05 models. I have got a quote for a 03 master cylinder for $190, can anyone confirm that their 06+ euro clutch pedal doesnt make this creaking noise? Im thinking of exploring the option of buying a 06+ master cylinder (if it is the same).
I have an 06 model and the clutch creaks. Don't know the cause.
Is this price($190)new from Honda spares?As far as i know Master cylinder is same for 03-08.I have an 06 47000km and no creaking.Quote:
Originally Posted by davey
have you euro guys checked the SLAVE cylinder yet ? it can be dry from lack of lubricant and give a few different noise and or feeling symptoms.
so what is the best way to describe in tech terms to get it fixed under warranty? Creaking clutch caused by lack of lube on master cylinder?
BS problem is coming back again!
Just tell them your clutch is creaking and ask them to check it out.
Or resign yourself to regular lubrication with Silicon grease...
I've gone through 3 master cylinders via warranty and I'm still getting the problem, was a 3P manufacturing defect.
so were do i apply the silicone grease to?
on the CMC or the spring?
I use silicone spray on the CMC. Try not to spray too much because clutch fluid doesn't go well with silicone. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by burak213
I used valvoline multi-purpose grease and applied it on the folk of the gearbox where the slave cylinder is and..... it stopped it.
Yup, that can happen too. Listen to where the noise comes from. I also did the same as you using high temp lithium grease, where the slave cylinder pin pushes onto the clutch release fork.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir_vtec
thanks aaron, i did it, didnt really help so i booked it in for service, i just hope they replace it instead of lubing it up again
Hey guys, sorry to dig this up,
I have the exact same issue, and it drives me nuts,
Clutch works fine, it feels like the spring is the cause as it sounds like kicking an old bed when you press it down,
Is it hard to get to the clutch spring? and how much would a clutch spring be from Honda?
In regards to the slave and master cylinder lube, where are you guys spraying silicon spray? i'd prob use lithium grease also..
Cheers
Brendan