[Euro] Hondata Update

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Originally Posted by yfin

You take a risk with every new business - if you are concerned you can wait after the pre-order and your penalty is you pay approx 20% more. There is no guarantees with anything, there could be further delays after you have ordered, etc. But a 20% discount is a pretty good carrot and these guys are not the type to run off with everyone's money (my opinion). They love the work and the cars.

Don't think you can expect them to manufacture all this bolt on equipment without having payment (or at least a hefty deposit) upfront.

If I was them I would do the same - no business wants to chase people for money.

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I agree.But having to pay the full amt.is a bit much.50% payment up front would be easier to take.

Cant wait to hear some more information about the "mild flash tune"
Having already got I/H/E it would be a pretty expensive exercise to swap all that over to Jtune gear.

LoL at 20% penalty.

Ive been running my own company for 8 years successfully and would NEVER penalise a customer. They are your lifeblood.

No way im paying 100% upfront. That nucking futs. And an unreasonable ask.

That being said the mild reflash at $899 looks like good value to me.

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Originally Posted by Suntzu

LoL at 20% penalty.

Ive been running my own company for 8 years successfully and would NEVER penalise a customer. They are your lifeblood.

No way im paying 100% upfront. That nucking futs. And an unreasonable ask.

That being said the mild reflash at $899 looks like good value to me.

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"Penalty" was my words. It isn't a penalty - it is a discount for people who sign up early.

As for paying upfront - that is up to them and it makes sense for some business models.

From what I gather this is a new start up business. If they have to get a loan to cover the manufacturing costs of all these bolt ons before receiving money from the customer - that is only going to increase the cost of the final product for everyone.

mild tune option sounds quite good. would the vafc help in situation like this, where it can happen the reflashed ecu to bring the mapping a bit closer to your mods. do u get what i mean?

Does anyone know what the conditions are that are in the announcement i.e.
"These prices apply for all Australian clients who own a 2003 to 2007 Manual and Automatic Honda Accord Euro. ** Conditions apply for 2006 and 2007 models."

100% up front payment for a new un-proven product is, IMHO, asking a bit much. Can appreciate his start up costs but that only implies they company is underfunded.

It may be, and certainly hope it is because I want one, an excellent product but I'm going to wait and watch.

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Originally Posted by yfin

Would be interesting to see - I was reading an old magazine this morning with the 03 WRX STI (so slower than the current model with the bigger engine). Over a fair distance of 1000m the STI got 25.87 seconds @202kph.

The 03 Honda NSX was only slightly faster with 25.77 so the turbos still do ok over the distance.

I dont think they are too bad rolling especially if they are in the right gear.

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Well they are definitely not bad rolling start because they have a turbo and heaps of mid-range torque but they won't beat most newer Holdens!

When you compare NSX and STI, dont forget the STI probably gets 3-5 car lengths from the word go and at around 200kph every 0.1s is worth around 5 to 5.5 car lengths.

So if the NSX by 1000m has caught up by 8-10 car lengths over the STI including the launch deficit initially, and the M3 is even faster by the STI by around 0.5-1.0s over 1000m, then you will understand why I said they aren't actually that fast.

Similarly, as I always said, a 0-100kph time of 5.0s for an AWD and a RWD doesn't necessarily mean they are equal, as the AWD covers that in a shorter distance. Probably not easy to grasp the concept though.

Euro Accord with I/H/E PLUS tuning (tuning makes the difference), if it really traps 102mph, will mean it is faster than a stock EVO or STI on a rolling start which trap around same 101.X to 103mph, especially considering the Euro is FWD and the launch deficit i.e. 0-60ft will be much greater.

Rofl :-|
an sti gets 5 car lengths off the line over an NSX?
sounds legit

agreed!

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Originally Posted by BusterSonic12

mild tune option sounds quite good. would the vafc help in situation like this, where it can happen the reflashed ecu to bring the mapping a bit closer to your mods. do u get what i mean?

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No i wouldnt stuff around with the tune they come up with

Sounds like this company doesnt have much capital to play around with...hence the 100% upfront payment.

Its a cash flow issue, they can spend x amount of dollars to get the parts manufactured but how many people are going to buy it? In this instance the risk of stock lying around is too much of a tie up in cash.

At least this way they know how much they have to manufacture and therefore their losses are kept to a minimum, no stock lying around. Of course with economies of scale if they were to mass produce a thousand parts then the price would come down markedly....whether or not they get sold is another matter entirely.

Also of course...you dont work for nothing...no matter how much you love cars, honda's etc etc etc. So their cut is included there too....cant put food on the table if you have no money.

Update for the those people with 2006 & 2007 Euros

"With regards to the conditions for 2006 / 2007 models our JTune bolt on products are 100% compatible with all 2003 to 2007 Honda Accord Euros. Currently however our ECU for 2006 -2007 is still in the final stages of testing due to the extra dash features found on 2006 and 2007 models. The release of 2006 – 2007 ECUs will be staged after the release of 2003 to 2005 models. The conditions noted above are directly related to this."

So we have to wait a little longer ... :)

P.S. Quoted from Hondatech forum http://www.hondatech.com.au/forum/sh...ted=1#post5410