this thread is starting to get very confusing... its what happen when the information people really want to know if kept under wraps for so long.
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this thread is starting to get very confusing... its what happen when the information people really want to know if kept under wraps for so long.
That clip is a vid of 2 TSX's. Not Euros.Quote:
Originally Posted by jamchen
could post a link to the vid? cant find itQuote:
Originally Posted by jamchen
http://www.hondata.com/reflash_tsx_06.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by sports06
and scroll down to "feedback from 04 TSX owners" and click on the pic to download the video...:wave:
Thanks for the link. :)
Still not convinced.
considering u can still (possibly) maintain ur warrenty and no modifications required... i reckon its on my must-do list..
This is a notorius product in the tuning world that nobody actually wants to touch (to people confused, this is NOT HONDATA I'm talking about but something else. Hondata seems to be a better product). Why? Because it can affect the car negatively in too many ways. There are many cases of known engine failures, idling and stalling problems, hesitations during acceleration, and unfortunately for turbo car owners, it likes to 'pretend' to work well on a turbo car application when it hideously installs a pneumatic bleed valve to increase boost without the owner knowing, which easily increase seat of the pants power, but then leads to the car actually pinging as shown on a dyno. UNKNOWN to the owner because they can't even hear the pinging going on, but its picked up on the dyno time and again.Quote:
Originally Posted by msnealo
I've seen it installed on BMW M3s (E36), Commodores, Nissan Pulsars, S14 or S15 200sx, Porsches, Audi A3s. I haven't seen on installed on a Honda Euro Accord because its not available. A lot of people I know had problems with this chip, i.e. Commodores engine breaks down. Pulsar rev-limit is raised but the car hesitates and blows out white smoke. S15 200sx owner so distressed because not only his car produces less power than my S15 with a stock ECU, but it stalls.
The biggest reason and suspicion that should tell u to be weary of this product? Because, they ALWAYS advertise the wrong 'potential' power gain of the car models. The common mistake customers make is that, they always buy the chip or ECU or piggy-back system that promises them the most power. That is 100% the WRONG APPROACH.
In reality, as long as any ECU works well enough - all cars should only make similar power when tuned properly. Putting an APEXi PowerFC or E-Manage or Unichip or SMT6 on a certain car might net you say 8-10KW. Putting a full MOTEC worth thousands more, doesn't actually mean you'll get 15KW out of it. You'll still be restricted to around 8 or 10KW, as a figure of speech. As long as the potential's already realised, and the ECU hasn't any problems, AND a good Tuning Safety Margin has been put in, and even considering that the Aftermarket or Factory ECU is able to pull off Timing in case of bad fuel or problems, that maximum power gain is always similar between good-enough ECUs. The choice between ECU's should be mainly because of the other optional fine tuning parameters, ease of retuning, tuner's knowledge, price, etc, NOT advertised power output.
To say it simply - a product which advertises it gaine MORE power than everyone else, ESPECIALLY when the dynographs shown are very dodgy or falsified and/or the aftermarket dynographs shown are 'wrong' or 'too good to be true', you can rest assure that in the long run, this product is killing your car.
This chip isn't tuned in Real-Time specifically for your car either (actually so is Hondata in that respect). This is a very bad thing in general, especially if your car is modded. The other thing - under their website, they list Synergy/Ultimate/Optimax as under one category of fuel. In reality, these 3 fuels have very different amounts of boost and Ignition Timing that could be run.
The problem with most 'chip' owners is that they never even bother to put their vehicle on a dyno after installation. Because when they do, they'll realise they might have only gained slight throttle response, but power hasn't actually gone up, yet the car is pinging its head off due to excessive timing. And on turbo cars, the boost has crept up, power has gone up, but for that boost level the car is actually down on power even compared to a stock ECU running exactly the same boost. That's because, the tuning is completely wrong for that boost level... even though power is slightly up, its damaging the car :p
Have a look at this and see what you think???Page 5 blkeuro.:thumbdwn:Quote:
Originally Posted by msnealo
Thank you very much Omotesando. Your time to write out that response is appreciatted.:thumbsup:
Thanks for the link tony1234.:thumbsup:
That's alright! Sorry my previous answer was really really short, because I thought their PDF file with the dubious figures (for a totally different car) was obvious enough to deter potential buyers LOL! Can't even get the information right :( I pity those who pay $1990 for one...
Its hard to get the right ECU for an Euro Accord. Might go Hondata one day.. Can't wait anymore!
I spoke to James last Thurs.He says it's a matter of weeks before the Hondata gear is released:p (he told me $1000.00 approx.for ecu reflash).Why would you consider the Powerchip?Quote:
Originally Posted by Omotesando
A matter of weeks? He is running short on time before the euro is replaced with an all new version