A Pulsar to rival egk20a!!

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Originally Posted by spetz

iamhappy46,
Who did the cams? Your dad as well? How did you guys figure out what spec cams are the best to put in? And how is the car around the city? When do the cams swap over from low to high?

In the end of the day all I am trying to say is that there really is no need for people to diss iamhappy's car just because it's not a Honda

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I think the problem here is that Honda's have been at the top of the ALL MOTOR TREE for a long time and that to have a Nissan come along to take that glory is rathering... frightening? if that is the right word here?!?! I am even considering taking the ITB's off as the SR16VE N1 intake manifold was not much of a restriction with my old setup but rather the AFM killing flow.

I am not sure what the plans for BADHBT are but if the K20 needs to be cracked open to post times similiar times to what I will be in a few months, then will that make it fair??

Spetz: My step-brother works in Japan. He had a mate of his Tetsu, who works for a major Japanese performance house grind the cams. I gave him all my engine details, the power band I wanted and he sent these over for testing.
NEO VVL allows for independant changing of I&E camshafts, so the engine is smooth and tractable. Intake cam changes first followed by exhaust cam. Exact specs are a trade secret.

I guess the strip is the only place to settle this when I post a low 12 second quarter. Feel free to show up at WSID for Summernationals ;)

ITBs are great for street driving/low rpm performance. just cos they're good for high rpm doesnt mean they're not good for low rpm.
only prob would be the noise but from what i see/hear thats not an issue for most ppl driving modified cars.
but anyway, very impressive to get such power from an NA SR20, although perhaps overly confidant. not to say you wont post low 12's( cos you prob will) but wait till its done b4 saying it and before the "glory" is already claimed;)
as far as the top of the FWD NA tree goes..... until something other than a honda starts touching the times seen in the states......

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Originally Posted by sivic

ITBs are great for street driving/low rpm performance. just cos they're good for high rpm doesnt mean they're not good for low rpm.
only prob would be the noise but from what i see/hear thats not an issue for most ppl driving modified cars.
but anyway, very impressive to get such power from an NA SR20, although perhaps overly confidant. not to say you wont post low 12's( cos you prob will) but wait till its done b4 saying it and before the "glory" is already claimed;)
as far as the top of the FWD NA tree goes..... until something other than a honda starts touching the times seen in the states......

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Well said:) Not many NA nissan or mitsubishis running 6s 7s or 8s;)

well if your talking about cammed K20A's like Z10-EG5's one well my EG civic ran 11.30 @ 119mph with basically the indentical mods to EGK20A just with cams added and abit lighter.. it made almost 190wkw..
Now with pistons and rods done I hope to see it run in the 10's.. And my car is built with off the shelf parts in my shed on the farm even...

But isn't that just a popularity contest? I mean, look at this Pulsar, had to have custom cams made from japan... which basically goes to show how much effort it would take to get a quick NA Nissan, in comparison to just ticking a checklist to get a quick NA Honda.
And in the end of the day Nissan, Mitsubishi, Toyota have all just chosen a different route for making power, and all manufacturers offer a VTEC type of alternative but there simply is no aftermarket for them. Put simply, you want a quick Civc, you put a VTEC with mods in it, turbo maybe etc, you want a quick Pulsar, you put and SR20DET, you want a quick Lancer, you put a 4G63T. But for sure if you want a quick NA car, you buy a Honda.

All I am trying to say is that a lot of people could show more respect to cars other than Honda. And a few of you said this is a Honda forum, what do I expect, well I've been on other car manufacturer forums and it's nowhere near this bad.
Although Nissan boys are up themselves I guess :D

I respect any fast N/A cars, Honda's and Mazda's tend to be the ones noticed the most though. Although in NZ we had a Nissan NXcoupe in street trim run 12.1 @ 112mph with a slightly worked SR20DE it is being tube chassised at the moment, i'm talking to the engineers on the wheelie bars and rear suspension for it at the track on sunday.. They aim to run 10's in it so its gonna be a good machine..

If I really wanted a quick FWD I would probably go for a Misti Atsi coupe and install a 4G63T in it, if guys can make 1000whp from them thats a damn good starting base..

man the good ol Honda VS Nissan debate. a very funny read...

"nissans NA are crap, honda NA rules"
yeah i agree that nissan should stick to what they good at which is boost, but the fact that a nissan driver has put this much work into his car so he can compete with some of the top honda NA's is impressive. IMO its good to see all motor competitors that arent honda even if he's done all that work. he's up there nonetheless.
i am a honda lover like 99.9% of ppl on this site and honda will IMO always dominate the all motor class, i mean look at the comparison the EGK20A's internals were untouched. at the end of the day all i want to say is honda keep that VTEC coming and nissan... stick to your hair driers

Non Vtec, there are some 4G63's making 2000whp as well in drag dedicated cars.
But yeah, in a FWD application a 4G63 could make huge power on stock internals. An asti is just a lancer by the way.


j-specaccord,
I think you have to also take into account that honda engines were designed for NA use and therefore have internals to match. Put simply, a stock Honda engine can't handle much boost at all, where as a stock nissan engine could handle way more boost. So the engines were designed for different uses, and one does one thing better than the other. And a K20A comes in a "sport" Honda. Realistically, besides the NSX and S2000, the ITR is Honda's best car. I read and think that a K20A is better than the F series, so this is the BEST 4 cylinder Honda has to offer, in the 3rd best car Honda has to offer, against an SR20DE, in a pulsar, and this pulsar came with this engine, not a 10 year old light chassis with a brand new engine conversion

The car looks like it will alot of potential and it's great to see non Honda and Rotary ALL MOTOR cars comong out, keeps things interesting! Now to cut all the bulls*it lets see it on the track and running some stout MPH so we can tell if it really makes power, On the track no one can hide in front of a computer! Good luck with it all.

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Originally Posted by spetz

Non Vtec, there are some 4G63's making 2000whp as well in drag dedicated cars.
But yeah, in a FWD application a 4G63 could make huge power on stock internals. An asti is just a lancer by the way.


j-specaccord,
I think you have to also take into account that honda engines were designed for NA use and therefore have internals to match. Put simply, a stock Honda engine can't handle much boost at all, where as a stock nissan engine could handle way more boost. So the engines were designed for different uses, and one does one thing better than the other. And a K20A comes in a "sport" Honda. Realistically, besides the NSX and S2000, the ITR is Honda's best car. I read and think that a K20A is better than the F series, so this is the BEST 4 cylinder Honda has to offer, in the 3rd best car Honda has to offer, against an SR20DE, in a pulsar, and this pulsar came with this engine, not a 10 year old light chassis with a brand new engine conversion

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ok dude lol.. the quickest n/a honda in the world does a 9.4, powered by a k20a and guess wat car it is in.. a DC5R

u hav really wierd ways of comparing things i mean its only in the pulsar bcoz both the engine and car are 10yrs old.

end of the day if u do the same amount of work to a k20 thats done to the sr20 pulsar whether its in the civic or integra the k20 will always come out on top

how bout u wait for the BADHBT project to be completed and see how this pulsar goes up against that

The 9 second DC5, how much did it weigh though? Probably less than a gutted EG hatch.

And it just brings back on my other post that the K20A was built with NA power intentions, SR20 wasn't.
Realistically, this Pulsar doesn't have THAT much work done to it. It has a lot but things were replaced on that engine because Nissan never intended it to be a monster of an NA engine. They after all used turbo for power. Honda's were built for NA and don't need as many things replaced

Anyway, all of my posting wasn't to say that Honda isn't good, I mentioned Honda is the best for NA power, I was just trying to stop people demeaning this Pulsar driver just because it wasn't a Honda

The fact of the matter spetz, is that the title of the post is 'a pulsar to rival egk20a!!' when clearly they arew two different cars:) I don't think people were 'demeaning' this guy, they were just stating the the facts (or however they want to put it lol) and the fact is, these two cars are pretty much nothing alike lol.

:thumbsup: to this guy with the pulsar, I'd love to see it run one day
:thumbsup: to JDMYard for what they did with EGK20A
:thumbsup: to anyone who wants to play around with N/A four cylinders

I think it's time this thread got locked down, it's going around in circles lol, people can read the thread and if they want to ask questions - PM the owner:) Otherwise, let's just all wait till it runs down the quarter with its new setup:)

peace out:wave: