Actually, you might be on to something there. Ill forward this to charleston at ASR. It will be a few day wait, but ill keep you updatedQuote:
Originally Posted by LowEk
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Actually, you might be on to something there. Ill forward this to charleston at ASR. It will be a few day wait, but ill keep you updatedQuote:
Originally Posted by LowEk
kris
cheers kris your a champ. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
would 18mm swaybar needs enforcement too?
yes - it should warrant some form of reinforcement , as the car it is going on had either a 14mm or no swaybar at all. IE bigger than stock shouldget some reinfocement for extra insurance.Quote:
Originally Posted by twing
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Originally Posted by bennjamin
^^^^^^what he said. thats why i got a subframe brace for better than trying to fix your ripped out subframe.
just to add -
has anyone tried any say ITR swaybar on a say whiteline reinforcement ?
Im looking at using a proper ITR rear swaybar on my EG and since i already have the whitelien kit...wondering if anyone has tried this combo ?
Otherwise ill have a poke aroudn once i get the stuff and let yall know :)
True that would work..
But now your killing the ASR kit..
You are moving the D bracket mount outwards.. allowing mroe tension on the subframe ears...
this would weakin the integrity of the kit...
the ASR kit is a combination of beaks + plate
you just removed the beaks component
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Originally Posted by Muzz
picture JUST a bar mounted on the asr brace. you would agree that during cornering one bracket has a force applied upwards while the other has a force downwards, resulting in a torsional force applied on the asr brace.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlitZ
The brace, d brackets, and the section of the bar between the brackets would be considered a solid structure.
Using the whiteline mounts will indeed move the brackets outwards, but the brace, d brackets, and the section of the bar between the brackets would still be considered a solid structure as before.
Weather or not the forces are greater, the asr brace will still be experiancing the tortional forces in the exact same manner. Using the whiteline mounts wont make the asr brace pointless, its working in the exact same way. Look at the pic above and tell me how the brace will work differently or not work.
Now, i dont believe the torsional force on the asr brace would change either.
|---------a|||||||0|||||||a---------| With brackets further out.....1
|------------a||||0||||a------------| With brackets at frame bolts..2
..................|<---0--->|......... <-points where asr brace bolts to frame for both diagrams
a = point of d bracket
this is a diagram of the bar and brace with and without extra mounts, point 0 is the point that the brace that experiances a tortional force around.
Say both are experiancing a 100kn force upward at the end of the bar 1m from the point of pivot, you can use the equation f1xd1 = f2xd2 where f is force and d is distance from point of pivot.
fxd=f1xd1
100kn x 1m = f1 x 0.75m (say the bracket for 1 is d1=0.75m from centre)
100 = f1 x 0.75m
f2 = 100/.75
f2 = 133.333kn
fxd=f2xd2
100kn x 1m = f2 x 0.65m (say the bracket for 2 is d2=0.65m from centre)
100 = f2 x 0.65m
f2 = 100/.65
f2 = 153.84kn
BTW i pulled the 1m, 0.75m, 0.65m values out of the air.
simple law of leverage- closer to point of pivot = greater force
so actually, as you can see the bracket would experiance a greater force being closer to the centre.
The thing is tho no matter how far in/out the d brackets are from centre, the bolts going through the asr brace to the frame, arnt changing in distance from the center of the brace, weather the whitleline mounts are used or somhow not. meaning that the frame is being twisted with the same amount of force either way.
im not pulling this out of my ass, im studing to be a mechanical engineer, this is how i see it. please anyone correct me if im wrong.
in effect what i am doing, would be the same as using the regular asr kit, with a slightly longer plate with the d bracket mounts out further. i fail to see how this changes the integrity anywhere in the brace, frame or bolts.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlitZ
with the brace its tons harder to dammage the subframe cus its gotta tear out HUGE chunks of the frame insted of just plucking holes. This fact dosnt change nomatter how the bar is connected to the brace.
if the frame was to fracture with the whiteline mounts bolted on to the asr kit, it would have done the same without.
Im gunnna print this out and ask my lecturers view anyway, just to be on the safe side.
the only reason i wanna get the swaybar to line up with the holes in the asr brace and not use the brackets that you have is for a cleaner look. and also as long as it does the job then im happy.
yeh id way prefer to just be using the asr brace aswell.