s2k vs type r @ wakefield

Also on the subject of sound deadening, does the S2000 have that? If it does, then it has just compromised performance for comfort.


obviously you've never been in an s2000 before. it's probably one of the noisiest cars to sit in, alot louder then a dc2r, esp. when pushed upto 9krpm!

I don't get all the hate for the s2000s on here?

If you get the chance, take one up a twisty road...you'll have so much more fun then any FF can provide you...

both cars as equally uncomfortable especially when we have tram tracks down here in melb...i actually find the dc2r to be a bit more comfortable...it's probably due to the 15" wheels as opposed to the s2k's 16" rims...

HAHAHAHAHA because they want it lowerd, fully sick Uleh. Why would use coilovers to lower a car just for that purpose,they sound really track focused. Every ITR owner i know did it to improve handling.

I never said they werent stiff enough for the road, learn to read, i said they werent stiff enough for me. If the ITR suspension is so good why are there so many aftermaket options that improve the car dramatically.(as there is for the s2000) And why do spoon and other garages use coilovers on their track cars. Besides by design, not opinion, S2000 suspension is stiffer, read up on it, or experience it.

The ITR is a good car but ure holding it a little to high, putting it in the same lime light in regards to track-ablitily as the CLS and GT2, mate ure clutching at straws and the AMG is hardly generic. I get ure point, really i do, but its a little thin. Yes ferraris are a sports car and the GT2/3 are
"track" cars but i wouldnt considerd the ITR as raw as a GT2 or CLS (thats probably the main reason we disagree). There are aftermarket options for (any) porsche and AMG & BMW try Ruff, Kramer, brabus bilstein to name a few.

Most passengers comented on what a harsh ride the S2000 was,especially for a daily driver, and guess what a few of them own ITRs. Honestly, have u driven the car for more than 5 mins or at all, its really easy to see the S is a little stiffer.

Again ure commenting on a car ure kinda familiar with, No there is no sound deadening. All im saying the S2000 is not a soft or a luxury car, and the type r isnt as hardcore as ure making it out to be (FF ???). Id easily put them in the same catagory .

I give up... I'm not saying that the S2k is not hardcore. I'm saying that it was not built as a track car from the factory. My classification of track cars are cars where comfort is removed to improved performance. I'm not saying that the ITR is at the same performance level as a CSL or GT2. I'm just saying that those cars have something in common and it is the removal of comforts in order to gain as much performance as possible.

I'm not caring about which car is more harsh. I'm not caring for the FF vs FR debate either. I'm just saying that a track car sacrifices comfort for performance.

Which comes back to what I was explaining before.


IN between luxury and formula 1 cars, there are also luxury, normal street, sporty, rice with fart cans and VAFC-IIs, sportscar, trackable sports, track cars, etc.

There is actually a spectrum we're talking about here.

Personally on a scale of 1-10 - I'll rate the S2000 as 8.5 track oriented designed and 1.5 comfort and most Type Rs a 9.0 trackable and 1.0 comfort. S2000 is kind of like the Type S-Zero of the NSX, which lies just below the ultimate Type R NSX but nearly equally 'light' and 'sacrificed'.

As for the track performance this is not completely dependent on its trackable design intentions. I'll rate the S2000 9.5 track ability and a Type Rs a 9.0.

I know I'm being a bit ambiguous here with my numbers not matching but hey, if you can see through what I mean - CERTAINLY it means the S2000 is a better car and better all-rounder. As it should, for its price.

you guys are over analyzing the question being asked. The guy isnt asking about the comfort factor of the s2000 or dc2r but jus merely which car will prevail.

the question was answered in the first couple of posts....comes down to the DRIVER~

dc2r will be easier to handle at a track like wakefield for a novice. S2000 will require more involvement from the driver but has the potential to do quicker times wit the right driver.

^Too right!
Stick to topic pplz!
Dont continue down the same tangent as this conversation has head already.

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Originally Posted by aaronng

I'm just saying that a track car sacrifices comfort for performance.

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I totally agree, and u'll find sacrifices have been made in both cars, and some creature comforts have been kept in both cars. They really are more similar than different. I just didnt agree with the lable u were putting on the S2000.

It's funny how we're arguing with people that drive Euro Accords, a totally diff car...pretty much just goes to show what their opinion is worth.

LOLZ
look as i explained before i have owned 2 integras (not type R)
they handle well ... ive driven type r and they are quite impressive BUT
its not worth comparing the FF 1.8 litre against a FR 2.0 litre
the S2K was built for track full stop...
aaronng like i said you need to get your info straight before you embarress yourself in honda forums.
bennjaminn you are right that the itr goes well and yes it is the driver that also counts but what the S2K boys are stirred about is how sweethearts like aarong claim the "S2K is not a track car" which is totally wrong.
he must be getting his info from gran turismo on PS2 or hot4s which is so cute.
If any honda owners(apart from S2K owners) think the S2K is not a track car like roller said "youve never been in one before"
you can take hair pins in it and itll stick like a go kart.
they pretty hard to get used to compared from the ITR but they will surpass the ITR hands down in the straight and on the turns.
the whole car has been built for track witht the short shift 6 speed, the 50/50 weight and the LSD etc...
ITR is a track car as well but it is not in the class that the S2K is in.
aarong if youve never been in an s2k and just assume things about them you can just come out and say it then the thread will be closed.
dont try to embarress yourself no more sorry but its true.

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Originally Posted by WhiteAP1

Its threads like this that make Ozhonda a laughing stock. The s2000 a luxury car??? Not a track car??? Suspension too soft??? U guys have no clue, i really cant be bothered with this one

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i really think this post sums it all up .

Question answered long ago :) As i said before ~ make a new thread to discuss WHAT a S2k really is.

Marketing suggests its a "track car" ( IE honda states...) But its a very well equipped track car if thats the case.
Owners state its a track car , then that its not.
Others that are jealous (including myself) state the bare facts and its compared to another HONDA that is aimed at the "sporty drive" environment ( DC2/5 R)...

Closed Guys...take it to the lounge for another discussion thread :)