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nah it wouldn't... the 3rd gear pull would be like ~3wkw more assuming all things equal...Quote:
Originally Posted by Limbo
my corolla did 97kw in 4th and 108kw in 3rd gear, it makes quite abit of difference. This was on the same dyno
yeah i was agreeing with you... but his higher 108wkw reading was done on 4th gear at Mercury and his lower 92wkw reading on 3rd gear at the other place was erading lower...Quote:
Originally Posted by Limbo
we tried the 3rd and 4th gear on the dyno, difference from memory is about 2-5kw atw.
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Originally Posted by dsp26
sorry my bad, yeah his is kinda werid. Don't think a filter will make that much difference
lower the gear, lower reading?Quote:
Originally Posted by dsp26
nah lower gear higher reading... but as fatboy said it's only 2-5wkw difference due to minor ratio difference depending on car/gearbox...Quote:
Originally Posted by mrwillz
But this whole gearing thing was one of the things being investigated a long time ago regarding power differences between USA & Aussie dynos... we thought it was because they always dyno 3rd gear... turns out their drivetrain loss is only calculated at around ~15% for fwd whereas we have ours calculated in the vicinity of ~20-25%... but anyway offtopic... :angel:
maybe... i noticed a huge response difference between a metal mesh pod (like blitz) vs a foam pod (obx) that i had which all FELT zippier on a cai versus an inverted gauze k&n extreme.Quote:
Originally Posted by Limbo
Surprisingly air related mods (inc. valvetrain) affects the B-Series drastically in comparison to 4age/sr20.. this would also explain why Honda's are the only ones with a multitude of intake designs like the whale penis, etc....
But yeah not a 17wkw difference... unless he does the dyno at Mercury again we won't really know for sure as it could be that Mercury's was naturally reading high (or vice versa)... his 92wkw at the other dyno would possibly translate to 102wkw at Mercury again at a ~6wkw loss which would support the intake change idea... he also stated above that theres only a noticable power difference and definitely not 17wkw...
Most of us here who drive NA's will know that 17wkw is a huge noticable difference... you would all also agree that even putting an intake on will be noticed by our @rses and their worth anything from 2-8wkw depending on other supporting mods...
oh well new dyno comp on the 30th at different dyno if i can get a spot it will be interesting. This time will be with the filter
i'll keep yous posted and after that might be back off to mercury motorsport and test it their with both filter and no filter
bloody dyno comps what shits me is that i cut a hole in my bumper and mounted a bell mouth in it to feed the intake and it done nothing. oh well at least it looks good imo
http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u...lsstudents.jpg
ey bro, got a link?Quote:
Originally Posted by ek4-guy
nah man im in brissy
the one i was looking at going to was on Cruising Brisbane forums
Hey darryl, that bell mouth sits well in the bumper.
Looks the goods man! :thumsbup:
Did 96.5kw today at TODA, which is what I was expecting.
Mods are plazmaman CAI, RSR 421 header, custom b pipe and spoon street muffler. Relative to other cars on the day, a stock looking DC5R did 110kw, stock B18CRs were doing 98-105kw. The mods probably added about 7kw atw judging from my last base line runs and comparing other stock cars on both days.
Just wanted to run my car see that my motor is still healthy, next up is a run at WSID to see how my mods have helped the car down the 1/4.
Tony
Car: 93 CRX
Engine: B16A2
Fuel: 93oct Mobil E10
Mods: eBay 2.5in collector 4-1 header, 2.5in catback, DC2r 2.25in muffler, stock airbox minus reso, crane cams lx91 coil, iridium plugs gapped at ~1.7mm
Tune: Spoon Chip (Rom dump)
Kw@ wheels: 93.3
Dyno Type: Dyno Dynamics (Toda Dyno Day 30/03/08)
Tony, ur b16a puts out quite well, considering i ran the same numbers as you. i've got i/h/e too, plus ecu....Quote:
Originally Posted by luzinit
:thumbsup:
Finally got mine tuned at APC,aparently it was running super rich and made a 89kw on its installation run.so i got a pretty huge increase,very happy with how it runs now,we didnt tune for a high kw number but rather for a powerful midrange,feels beautiful now
Car: EG
Engine: B16A2
Fuel: 98oct BP Ultimate
Mods: JDM b16a stock bottom end
-pr3 b16a head
-ctr cams , ctr valve springs , 3 angle valve job
-type R intake manifold and throttle body
-ctr gearbox (short ratios,lsd)
-toda 3 puck clutch kit
-cusco 3.9 kg flywheel
-hondata s100 now tuned by apc ($800 ouch ouch ouch,too pricey imo but they were the only ppl available with s100 software))
-2.5 catback mandrel bend
-5zigen header
-NGK iridium plugs
Kw@ wheels: 108.2
Dyno Type: Dyno Dynamics APC
il get the graph up when i get to a scanner.
For a guide as to how the car feels now with that power increase-before when 5 ppl were in the car it felt like an excel,i had 5 ppl in on the wkend and it pulls like it did with just me in there b4.when its just me in there now,i have a not so good chance of keeping my licence,got pulled over by the d's the 1st night i went out in it hahaha
Car: EG sedan
Engine: B16b
Fuel: 98oct BP Ultimate
Mods: greddy e-manage blue
stock b16b headers
stock eg8 catback
ngk spark plugs
jdm pod
hp@ wheels: 131hp (97.7kW)
Dyno Type: Dyno Dynamics HRP
Nice!!! please post the graphs when you can... that is what I am after now i've seen my peaky graph.Quote:
Originally Posted by teh_mechanic
Do you have a dyno sheet from when it was getting tuned (NOT shootout mode and it has the Torque instead of AFR)?
Bit in terms of the lower end drivability.. it's coz of your GB isn't it?
Thanks man :thumbsup: What I/H/E do you have? (if you don't mind me asking), and do you remember what you made few years back at the Mr Druitt Dyno? I did 74.5kw on that day with a stock motor (just wanna get an idea of what gains my bolt on mods did)Quote:
Originally Posted by bizee_1
Cheers!
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2158Quote:
Originally Posted by luzinit
By the way, back then, i thought maybe ecu was chipped. So Tinkerbell wrote down it was. Found out later it wasn't.
i/h/e = K&N pod, not so great OBX SS 4-2-1, 2.5" cat, thru to 2.5" cat back done by Hitech Mfflrs. Tuned Hondata. So you can see why i'm lil concerned in other thread lol.
i was thinking, got tuned with mobil 98. But since everyone had shortage of 98pulp. only one i find is Starmart Caltex to have 98pulp. Also got a dent in my header. but those wouldn't be much gains.
when it got tuned, it pulled 105kW. It got tuned on same Mt Druitt dyno, but diff day. So how that compares to our results on sunday, i'd say quite well for the mods you did. :)
Car: EM1
Engine: B16A2
Fuel: Mixed 98oct Mobil & Vortex
Mods: CTR Pistons
Skunk2 Pro1 Cams
Skunk2 Cam Gears
Skunk2 Valve Springs
Skunk2 Titanium Retainers
ITR Throttle Body
Skunk2 Intake Manifold
AEM Fuel Rail
J’s Racing Intake
5Zigen Headers
Spoon N1 zorst
Single Plate clutch
Walbro 255lph Fuel Pump
420cc injectors
Tune: Hondata s300
Kw@ wheels: 125
Dyno Type: Dyno Dynamics
Just need to get cams dialed in right and hopefully pull a few more out of it!!
Thanks Matt for you patience and thanks John and the guys for your work, advice & service :thumbsup:
If you need it tuned in QLD, go see HiPower :D
wow... nice numbers from a B16a...
Going down the 1/4mile?
thanks.
just let me get used to the bloody clutch 1st!!
lol
my feet have grown heavy and imprecise from driving a stock D all the time... traction is now an issue ;)
i'd like to say i put a lot of effort into it but i cant claim any praise cause i bought it with the work done... just not tuned
kraiye,very nice number from a b16.
makes me want to put CTR pistons in mine to up the compression a bit
really couldnt be bothered though haha
if tractions getting to be a problem at that power (its big power for a b16 but not really that huge a power figure in reality) then you really need to look at getting some better tyres,spoil yourself and get some good rubber,the difference is amazing.
next mod i would suggest is final drive replacement,or get a CTR gearbox,comes with short ratio gears and lsd....mmm nice
thanks mate, i am very happy with it. and when they told me the potential is there for more i was... even happier :p
the tyres i had were pretty old and bald (so alot of fun!), it's got some cheapies on it now for rego. after the tune and fixing odds and ends on my other car i'm pretty darn broke (plus i need to spend a lil $$ on the missus for a while ;))
lsd would be sweet and i'm happy with the ratio as is - in the end it is my daily. much closer ratio than my cxi anyway!!!
compression came out to 12:1 too
:thumbsup:
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Originally Posted by teh_mechanic
I'm very, very glad it turned out well for you man.
Ah, the good things about living in a capital city.... you (and HPR) went and did what two supposed "king" tuners couldn't.
That power figure is even more than what I thought it would make (I got told 120kw) and there is more in it once you let the HPR boys loose on the cams! :)
And yeah man, it's yours now. You should take the credit for it because it's YOUR car and you got it tuned properly. Now, all you need to do is give me a ride in your EM1 and show me. :thumbsup:
lol
ok it's mine. just doesnt feel like it yet... still excited i guess :D
maybe we can swap rides when you come down
and sorry sydney boyz, IT'S MINE!!!!
mwuahahahaha
since when did us QLD boys steal cars from SYD?? lol
QLD Hondas ftw yO!!!
i saved yet another QLD car being stolen from us ;)
ITR box you mean... CTR ratios are same as the 16A box.Quote:
Originally Posted by teh_mechanic
:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::honda::wave:Quote:
Originally Posted by kraiye
VAFC is full tunability? I thought it just changes VTEC engaging point and throttle body positions... is it?Quote:
Originally Posted by VTEChnique
maybe he meant V-AFC II, although still not all that tunable
buy my emanage ;p
yeh thats so true....Quote:
Originally Posted by Setanta
possible to have a look on dyno sheet?
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Originally Posted by kraiye
Hi, just wondering how to get 12:1 CR on b16a with ek9 piston :)Quote:
Originally Posted by kraiye
how do i convert 2xxpsi to xxx:1 compression?
you can't because he's talking about static compressionQuote:
Originally Posted by todaek9
even if you have 13:1CR ur cylinder psi could only be 200psi coz of camshaft duration overlap... and altitude...
just use this as a guideline to guestimate:
B16A2
220psi = 10.4:1CR
B18C7 (i think)
240psi = 11:1CR
***EDIT***
there is a calculator out there... but you neeed to know every aspect of your engine from head gasket, camshaft, pistons etc...
i have absolutely no idea, thats just what they told me :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by spoondc2
After Tune at Bel Garage (Tuned by Dyno Dave) previouse results on pg.37
91.7 kw atw
96 ej8 b16a2 coupe
stock internals
plazmaman cai with k&n pod filter
crome ecu
type r clutch & flywheel
x-force 4-2-1
2.25 inch exhaust madrel bend double braided flex
& hi flow glass cat
?
was that the same dyno? how'd you loose 7kw??
diff dyno.Quote:
Originally Posted by kraiye
Don't know if it would be 12:1, but it would be close. Kraiye's B16A has a rather worked head with lots of milling involved.Quote:
Originally Posted by spoondc2
12:1 may have been rounded up a little ;)
it's funny... i've had one person say 125kw is near impossible for a b16a and another say it's pretty average i should get more.
lol
Always wanna know how to achieve 12:x CR with b16 stock block and head with ek9 piston. I will be lot more than happy if anyone can tell me. Since I think i can only do 11:3 CR maxQuote:
Originally Posted by Waggy
Good figures on that dyno... you know what our motor made on that dyno, so its a good platform to compare..:)Quote:
Originally Posted by blabla
that sounds awesome for a b16a2
yep gonna go and do a power run at toda to compare to previouse resultQuote:
Originally Posted by Benson
at teh gtcc dyno day
got 92kwatw
5zigen headers, stock cat, custom b pipe and mugen loop
eveyrthing else stock
do intakes of any form at all give any gain ? or is it barely even noticeable on dyno type of gain ? like sri, cais etc etc
intake temp causes fluctuation in power output by quite abit...
Xforce 4-2-1
Xforce modded B pipe(2.25")
Straight through 2.5" muffler
Simota SRI with Cold air feed DIY
Ek4 cat
Clutch,fly,sussy & light wheels etc
Apexi Neo tuned
(Gain 4.5whp at top end and a slightly smoother mid range).. My Air Fuel Ratio was pretty alright according to the tuner except for one part which is way off.. didnt really understood what was going on though..lol..)
Got 134whp or 99.6kw atw..Dyno dynamics
I got 94.2kw at the wheels with a full stock B16A2 on a dyno dynamics DYNO @ Autotech in Canberra.
This is a Dyno run before i get anything done to the engine, Starting this week with the exhaust getting done and maybe a pod filter.
This is the spec for the B16a in our Supersprint EG:
Stock Block (stock sleeves)
Stock Stroke and Bore
81mm CTR pistons
Type R Head with upgraded valve springs
BC spec 3 Cams + cam gears
Spoolin Performance 4-2-1 Headers
2.5inch exhaust with 3inch High flow CAT (Performance Exhaust)
44m A sport ITB's (no air box, and no CAI)
Hondata S200 Tuned by Dave
E85 Petrol (85% Ethanol, 15% unleaded) environmentally friendly
Peak Power 117kw @ 7600RPM
Revs cut out @ 9200rpm
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y13...9/P1017854.jpg
any reason y its run on e85? yous made more power like that?
nice power..
Why E85
1. Emission friendly, burns clear and will pass emission easy
2. $1 a litre
3. Gain 3-4kw everywhere
4. Good power gains
5. Works even better with higher comp engines
6. Able to lean it out a little
Downside
1. Not readily available, only 2 servo's i know has em
2. Burns 30% quicker
e85 also runs cooler apparently, the new audi run this with their turbo setup and can make some good numbers
ok fair enough...Quote:
Originally Posted by Benson
how is it for the cleanlinees of the internals of the motor.. as in carbon buildup on piston tops, valves etc?
haven't taken this head off yet. When i do, ill let you know the results
shame you look like you're making a huge bomb when you go to buy a few jerry cans of e85 benny :p
any ill results on the fuel lines or seals yet?
E85 smells nice :p
helps keep you high? lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Benson
Makes me drive better :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Limbo
sooo... i have a general question for the B16a owners here
hypothetically speaking...
would you trade ~10wkw at 6500-9000rpm for ~5wkw everywhere else below and not knowing the torque figures?
Ill trade 10kw between 8000-9000rpm to 10kw greater between 5000-8000rpm
We have already done this, so we are learning from experience.
^^thats actually a better scenario, i would too... need cam gears right.. not achievable by tune alone?
mid range gain > top end gain i say
especially for a street car
who drives around 8000+ everywhere everyday?
what are cam gears gonna do with anything midrange?Quote:
Originally Posted by dsp26
i think Ron's talking about moving the timing with the cam gears to get the power band in the mid range
Combo of parts to get the right midrange..
might need to upgrade displacement or go itb's
yaahhh.. the BC3+ cams aren't living up to their midrange prowess reputation despite the recommended +2 INT setting that was supposed to give it.. as can be seen in our BC3+ equipped graphs, sure the curve is smooth but the biggest gains are still in the upper 6500rpm+ rangeQuote:
Originally Posted by Benson
***EDIT***
it's just weird to me and i wanna fix it with cam dial if i can.... revving the car to 9krpm then shifting lands me around 6krpm with x-over at 6200rpm and my peak torque occuring roughly between 7k-8500rpm (1500rpm powerband).....
i know what some of you are going to say and an FD+install is waaaay out of the budget already.
BC Spec 3 are great cams for a simple upgrade. Ill suggest upgrading the bottom end to see the real result. b20vtec is bang for buck since you have most of the mods for it already
Quote:
Originally Posted by Benson
what he said :arrowu:
great to see and interesting results using e85...
anybody any idea which pump in melb selling e85??
i just got my car on dyno. not tuned. just power run. stock computer, jdm b16a just shitty headers 2 1/2 inch exhaust whale penis intake ITR throttle body. in 3rd gear got 98 kw - 131 hp. some people are saying should be done in 4th. what mine do better ?
98kw sounds bout right for the mods. I had similar mods except with 5zigen headers and got 100kw with my old jdm b16a. on another dyno, same mods i got 95kw's.
yeah i been told that my car has stage 2 cam shafts. but im doubting that now. previous owner is load of shit.
should be run in 4th gear because the gear ratio is almost 1:1 , which will give you the most accurate reading