[Euro] Hondata Update

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24-09-2006, 12:32 PM
tony1234

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Originally Posted by curik

A matter of weeks? He is running short on time before the euro is replaced with an all new version

We'll all have to be patient.I've done research outside this forum and the feedback is positive,so i think it's worth the wait.What other viable options do we have?Does anyone here have any other ideas???
24-09-2006, 01:35 PM
Chris_F

Quote:

Originally Posted by curik

A matter of weeks? He is running short on time before the euro is replaced with an all new version

the previous model euros will be around long after the new one comes out... also once they get cheaper second hand more ppl will be inclined to modify them. The aftermarket support for the euro will still be strong years to come.

I think at around 1000 they've hit the nail on the head price wise, 1500 was gonna be a bit over the top but 1000 sees it closer to the price it costs in the US than i thought.

The other option is the fully tuneable DBW compatable ecu from EFI - user: pornstar is offering a special deal for euro owners for the next couple of months, and although its more expensive it has a lot of extra features and can be removed and replaced with the stock ecu easily - I assume the reflash will require the stock ecu to be modified. I'd prefer a stand alone but tahts just me.

At least now euro owners in australia have the opportunity to unleash some more potential (whichever way they go about it):thumbsup::thumbsup:
24-09-2006, 04:40 PM
yfin

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris_F

The other option is the fully tuneable DBW compatable ecu from EFI - user: pornstar is offering a special deal for euro owners for the next couple of months, and although its more expensive it has a lot of extra features and can be removed and replaced with the stock ecu easily - I assume the reflash will require the stock ecu to be modified. I'd prefer a stand alone but tahts just me.

At least now euro owners in australia have the opportunity to unleash some more potential (whichever way they go about it):thumbsup::thumbsup:

Hondata looks promising although I will have lots of questions to ask when it is released! As for other options - Chris mentioned that tuneable ECU. Funny you mention that because yesterday I found some info on that "Euro1" ECU. I have no idea who these "Compsystems" people are so don't ask me for more info - i just "googled" the name of the ECU. According to that table it doesn't support traction control so whether it works with VSA is still a question mark. Even though there are benefits of a stand alone system - I wouldn't want to lose a safety system like VSA even if 99.9% of the time driving the car it is not used.

Getting real world info about how these work with the CL9 seems to be veiled in secrecy at the moment. Hopefully more info will be released soon. Check out the last link - with the Euro1 (and some other mods like camshafts) they claim they upped the power on the Peugeot 206GTI from 135 to 200hp (still NA). Fairly significant!

http://www.compsystems.com.au/efi_technoogy_spa.htm

http://www.compsystems.com.au/euro1.htm

http://www.compsystems.com.au/News/011005spotlight.htm

http://www.compsystems.com.au/images...rs1_1_0002.jpg
24-09-2006, 05:49 PM
aaronng

ECU alone doesn't make power. It allows you to make the potential power of all your mods that are on your car. In the case of the base Hondata reflash, the power gain is from leaning out the mixture and running on 98 octane.

The 206 GTI has such a big gain because of ITBs, cams and exhaust.
24-09-2006, 06:03 PM
ALN

here is another info I found about EFI euro products
http://www.efitechnology.it/main_eng.html

About Hondata reflash, when is it gonna be released actually ?
last time I talked to him which is on march 06, He said gonna be released on April 06. Well it's almost october though. so what's happening?
24-09-2006, 06:06 PM
BusterSonic12

can't wait >.<
24-09-2006, 06:38 PM
Suntzu

I personally think that now is the time Hondata should have made the initial announcement. Not 9 months ago or whateva and strung people along. Announcements should be made just before supply or as suppy is delivered.

They could have said nothing til now then BAM , announce and then deliver with immediate feedback from real users

Stringing faithful hopeful's along isnt very professional in my opinion.

I still look forward to some results but I think im going to turn over my vehicle before i see any results at this rate.
24-09-2006, 10:17 PM
yfin

Quote:

Originally Posted by Suntzu

I personally think that now is the time Hondata should have made the initial announcement. Not 9 months ago or whateva and strung people along. Announcements should be made just before supply or as suppy is delivered.

They could have said nothing til now then BAM , announce and then deliver with immediate feedback from real users

Stringing faithful hopeful's along isnt very professional in my opinion.

I still look forward to some results but I think im going to turn over my vehicle before i see any results at this rate.

I have kept the faith so far... The first announced release date was to be September 2005. Product was then announced as finished in April 06. A pre-order was going to be announced in August 06.

I don't mind them releasing info about it - I think that is a great thing. The only thing I don't like is dates being put on a release when such indications have proven highly innaccurate. I hope (i really hope) support during the sale and after sale process is excellent.

I think all will be forgiven once this is released.. :D
25-09-2006, 07:15 AM
tony1234

Quote:

Originally Posted by yfin

I have kept the faith so far... The first announced release date was to be September 2005. Product was then announced as finished in April 06. A pre-order was going to be announced in August 06.

I don't mind them releasing info about it - I think that is a great thing. The only thing I don't like is dates being put on a release when such indications have proven highly innaccurate. I hope (i really hope) support during the sale and after sale process is excellent.

I think all will be forgiven once this is released.. :D

I agree with yfin.It'll be great when it's finally released.Wouldn't you rather wait a bit longer and have a product that is properly developed than one that is rushed onto the market to fit in with a previously promised date?
25-09-2006, 10:39 AM
Chris_F

Quote:

Originally Posted by yfin

According to that table it doesn't support traction control so whether it works with VSA is still a question mark. Even though there are benefits of a stand alone system - I wouldn't want to lose a safety system like VSA even if 99.9% of the time driving the car it is not used.

That's a good point, i was assuming VSA would be kept in tact, but we'd need to ask Andy (pornstar) about all of this.

If anythng, the EFI ecu is more suited to those euro owners who want to take their car to the next step and make the most power possible. A forced induction setup, for example, isn't out of the question - neither are quad throttles or internal work.

I'm just glad the option of a fully tuneable ecu is finally available - im sure some people will jump on board then we'll get to see the full potential of the k24a in the euro platform. Motec and the more expensive ones have always been there but generally out of the publics reach cost wise.

I think peeka34's car - being custom tuned - is already showing us some of this potential (i bet that thing feels fast!). Personally I'd only go for a reflash if it could be customised to my specific application so hopefully this is something hondata can offer. The idea of a universal "reflash" just doest sit well with me.

Quote:

Originally Posted by aaronng

ECU alone doesn't make power. It allows you to make the potential power of all your mods that are on your car. In the case of the base Hondata reflash, the power gain is from leaning out the mixture and running on 98 octane.

The 206 GTI has such a big gain because of ITBs, cams and exhaust.

that's a really good point... I don't think a universal ecu reflash will ever take full advantage of peoples modifications like a standalone can. It's a halfway solution that might signficantly increase power but without seeing maximum gains. For $1000 or so though it's reasonable value for what you seem to get.
25-09-2006, 10:57 AM
tony1234

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris_F

That's a good point, i was assuming VSA would be kept in tact, but we'd need to ask Andy (pornstar) about all of this.

If anythng, the EFI ecu is more suited to those euro owners who want to take their car to the next step and make the most power possible. A forced induction setup, for example, isn't out of the question - neither are quad throttles or internal work.

I'm just glad the option of a fully tuneable ecu is finally available - im sure some people will jump on board then we'll get to see the full potential of the k24a in the euro platform. Motec and the more expensive ones have always been there but generally out of the publics reach cost wise.

I think peeka34's car - being custom tuned - is already showing us some of this potential (i bet that thing feels fast!). Personally I'd only go for a reflash if it could be customised to my specific application so hopefully this is something hondata can offer. The idea of a universal "reflash" just doest sit well with me.

that's a really good point... I don't think a universal ecu reflash will ever take full advantage of peoples modifications like a standalone can. It's a halfway solution that might signficantly increase power but without seeing maximum gains. For $1000 or so though it's reasonable value for what you seem to get.

From what i can work out the Hondata reflash seems to be the best allround option for price and performance.
25-09-2006, 11:16 AM
Chris_F

Seems to be... we'll have to wait untill all details are confirmed.

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